Oil filter recommendation
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Oil filter recommendation
Hi guys, i wanted to post in this section because i have a F150 with the 400 and you guys seem to be the best for me. I have it modded mildly i guess (Wieand, Holley 750vs, Lunati cam, headers) and love to drive it hard but not over its' limits. My question - is there a larger capacity filter than the stock Fram PHA8, and, is there a better one in your eyes?
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Thanks! Ment to post this in the 335 section (get the familiar guys advice) but i see you are one also. Any input is well appreciated. I can see so far that not very many like Fram filters. How come? - Thanks again.
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Go to your local NAPA store and ask to see their Fram filter display. You'll never use another Fram. I go with Wix which is the same as NAPA Gold.
Your truck specs the Motorcraft FL1A. You can get the longer version in the FL299, which is about 1.5 inches longer. Can order it in Purolator (L40017) from Advance Auto and get it overnight for $6, or just go with Wix (51773)/NAPA Gold (1773). BTW, the long Purolator is the only Puro I have ever seen with the Ford-type bypass valve (located in the threaded end of the filter). Wix has the Ford-type bypass also. You'll only get a Motorcraft FL299 at the dealer and they will overcharge you.
Your truck specs the Motorcraft FL1A. You can get the longer version in the FL299, which is about 1.5 inches longer. Can order it in Purolator (L40017) from Advance Auto and get it overnight for $6, or just go with Wix (51773)/NAPA Gold (1773). BTW, the long Purolator is the only Puro I have ever seen with the Ford-type bypass valve (located in the threaded end of the filter). Wix has the Ford-type bypass also. You'll only get a Motorcraft FL299 at the dealer and they will overcharge you.
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TallPaul, Thank you! Just the type of info i'm lookin for. I've been using Fram filters but my preferance is about to change. Still curious as to why Fram is so disliked?
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Originally Posted by Torque1st
They don't filter very well.
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All I know about Fram is the cardboard end caps vs Purolator and Wix and Motorcraft metal end caps for the filter element. Also chuck any Ecore filter (many of the popular brands) because they have papery end caps and other questionable features. Also Fram has the dome end bypass.
Now it's possible the long version in Fram (I was given the number PH977A, but always have them check against FL299) could be better constructed and have the correct bypass valve, but I doubt it. One would have to cut one open to see.
Now it's possible the long version in Fram (I was given the number PH977A, but always have them check against FL299) could be better constructed and have the correct bypass valve, but I doubt it. One would have to cut one open to see.
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Almost all Fram filters have a cardboard anti-drainback valve. This fails directly after it gets soaked in oil. What happens next is that the oil flows back into the engine causing a no oil condition in the rod main, and crank main bearings. Most premature bearing wear can be directly linked to a faulty oil filter or filter design.
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Originally Posted by pfogle
Almost all Fram filters have a cardboard anti-drainback valve. This fails directly after it gets soaked in oil. What happens next is that the oil flows back into the engine causing a no oil condition in the rod main, and crank main bearings. Most premature bearing wear can be directly linked to a faulty oil filter or filter design.
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When you go to the Napa store, ask them why Wix (everyone's filter hero here) decided to start producing "will fit" filters that do not meet OEM Ford specs for the 6.0. Then ask them if Fram is so terribly bad, why they repackage OEM Racor and sell them for $6 cheaper than the inferior Wix or Crappa Gold. Remember guys, things change daily. Wix also does the same with fuel filters for the 6.0 as well, skilled the aqua bloc media requirement.
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I don't know what you mean by "will fit." But I ran your comment, word-for-word, by a Wix Filters engineer who has been with Wix 28 years and his response is:
Maybe you would like to explain your problem to him directly? The post is in the Oil Filters forum at the oil guy site with the topic, "Problems with Wix Filters?"
I will continue to trust Wix.
If it says WIX on the box, it meets or exceeds OE/OEM specs!
I will continue to trust Wix.
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TallPaul, no it does not meet OEM specs. Racor has a patent on the VT275 and the 6.0l powerstroke oil filter and oil filter housing. They have not released licensing on them. The only way for the filter to meet OEM specs is if it is re-packaged racor period. Wix started off the right way, re-packaging the racor, then decided to pull a cheap stunt on the unknowing 6.0 owners. They are now selling the same $10 filter that Champion labs makes which have already been proven to have drainback and non filtering issues, for $25. Almost sounds like a trick Amsoil would pull. Anyway, their are only 2 filters that meet OEM specs. It will have the patent number on the bottom, either made in U.S.A. or in Germany, both of which are made by racor.
Next time you talk to this engineer, ask him why Wix switched?
Next time you talk to this engineer, ask him why Wix switched?
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