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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 09:21 PM
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Bad Cam, or?

Hey guys, My old pickup developed a problem and I cant quite figure out what it is. Its a small block 351, edelbrock carb, pretty fresh heads. It runs and starts fine, but when you start rapping it up and the secondarys begin to open it starts popping out the carb, no popping till you rev it up though. I keep hearing different things, mostly a flat spot on the cam, but then someone said it would do it all the time if that was the case. So any help would be appreciated before I go tearing into it.
 
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 10:02 PM
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Check this out.
http://www.users.bigpond.com/ergoff/vac1.htm
 
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Old Dec 12, 2006 | 10:42 PM
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Does it continue to pop.......or does it smooth out and start pulling after it get past the popping?
 
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 08:43 AM
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It continues to pop, higher you rev it the worse it gets, also kinda loads it up, but like i said, it doesnt do it just running off the primarys
 
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 09:35 AM
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sounds like either a vacum leak or a fuel deliver issue. i am no carb man by any means though. whats the timing set at? and when was it tuned up last. have you checked the spark plug wires for crack and make sure they are all secure on the plugs
 
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 11:37 AM
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TWhen you say loads up, do you see puffs of black smoke? If you do, I would go with Kemicalburns on the ignition and timing issue...........if you don't see black smoke, I would check for a fuel delivery problem. Maybe a way low setting in the secondary float or a fuel pressure issue. Temporarily hook up a fuel pressure gauge and see what you have when you gas it. Popping in the intake is usually caused by a lean out. The fact that it runs good on the primaries, kinda rules out the vacuum leak and the flat cam, but then you never know. I've been fooled before.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 12:35 PM
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along the lines of the vacuum leak, could be the dist is not advancing properly, which i have seen cause popping problems. is your dist controlled by engine vacuum? what condition is the carb in? cheers, garsten
 
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 01:19 PM
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I havnt really noticed any black smoke, I have another good edelbrock carb Im going to try and throw on tonight. I was wondering about the distributor not advancing right, Its the original distributor with well over 300,000 miles on her. It might be time for a new one, lol. Thanks for the help though guys, Glad to hear it probly isnt a cam. Ill get back to ya tonight to see if the carb solves the problem.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 06:05 PM
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300,000! It a least deserves a rebuild. With that kind of age it could be the vacuum advance or the springs on the centrifugal advance can lose their tension.
 
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 10:02 PM
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Throw a timing light on it and check to see that the advance is working. When was the timing chain last replaced?
 
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 10:22 PM
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didnt get to swapping carbs tonight. checked fireing order, wires and any possible vacumn leaks. Anyways, I think the motor has around 80,000 miles, which would include the timing chain, the heads probly only have like 40,000 miles on them. The truck has over 300,000 and im pretty sure its always had the same distributor. Also, tonight, My local engine builder pretty much told me its the cam for sure Or possibly a broken valve spring. He told me to pull the valve covers and watch the rockers, I wish this was an easier diagnosis
 
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Old Dec 13, 2006 | 10:31 PM
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If Edelbrock uses a powervalve in the carb like a Holley, I'd guess that blew out.
 
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Old Dec 14, 2006 | 05:35 PM
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Pull the valve covers and look for broken springs and rockers that don't move when it's runing.
 
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 05:52 AM
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No power valve in an Edelbrock. They use pistons with springs and metering needles inside the jets. Much easier to tune and work on.
 
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Old Dec 15, 2006 | 05:38 PM
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Thanks Torque1st. I knew it was different somehow.
 
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