No spark when cranking until I let off the key?
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hey all I found something that if you can work the system right might save you some money and bloody knuckles. Come to find out there was a recall on the TFI/ ignition module on these trucks come to find out the recall actually states that once the module gets over 270 degrees they fail and cause the truck to stall and once they cool down they start working again. take a look at this website and it will tell you what years abd maybe how to get it fixede under warranty. I am pretty sure this is the answer for all our problems because we are having the same problem.
Ford TFI Module National Class Settlement | The Center for Autosafety
Ford TFI Module National Class Settlement | The Center for Autosafety
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I have not changed the pickup coil, however in the midst of desperation and the need to just hear my truck running I jumped the starter solenoid which to my surprise actually caused the truck to start which leads me to believe that it is actually the ignition switch. or the 9v bypass wire from the solenoid to the ignition module. I bought the new switch and will be putting it in tomorrow. If that does not work than I am going to splice a new 9v bypass line. I would think if its the pickup coil that it still would not of started when i jumped the soleniod.
Jonathan
Jonathan
#35
well I figured out the problem on my 88 BII and it was the EEC Power Relay had gone out along with the EEC wire harness. These things have to be replaced in the shop due to the need for reprogramming. I did not think that an 88 would need reprograming but it did. Had those replaced and reprogrammed and it works wonderfully. hope this helps everyone else.
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bump!
yeah, old thread.
Im having a similar problem on my 96 ranger. I think its a no spark in crank issue.
Truck will crank forever and not start. Sometimes if I catch it just right I can release the key in mid stroke and it will fire.
I can always instantly start the truck if I put the key in RUN and jump the solenoid with a screwdriver.
Anyhelp would be great.
New battery, New starter, and New solenoind all with in the last 4 months. Truck is not a DD and has been sitting. I do start it up and move it/warm it up very often.
yeah, old thread.
Im having a similar problem on my 96 ranger. I think its a no spark in crank issue.
Truck will crank forever and not start. Sometimes if I catch it just right I can release the key in mid stroke and it will fire.
I can always instantly start the truck if I put the key in RUN and jump the solenoid with a screwdriver.
Anyhelp would be great.
New battery, New starter, and New solenoind all with in the last 4 months. Truck is not a DD and has been sitting. I do start it up and move it/warm it up very often.
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#39
I know this is an old post, but I'll reply just the same, what you have is a bad ballist resister. The resister shuts off the electric flow to the coil while the cranking the engine. Find the resister whether the engine is external resisted ( it should be a porcelain looking thing mounted on the firewall with two wires attached. Jump the two wires and it should start.
If the engine is internally resisted change the coil.
If the engine is internally resisted change the coil.
#40
So bottom line,...what's responsible??
So bottom line,what's responsible for this intermittent spark??
thanks for the reply.I unfortunatly,before seeing your post, just replaced the ignition switch a few minutes ago and it didnt work for me either. Oh well, atleast it was only 10 bucks and 1 less thing to worry about for awhile.
edit- just saw your post subford, i thought the same thing but a new switch didnt seem to help. I appreciate the reply though, any other ideas?
edit- just saw your post subford, i thought the same thing but a new switch didnt seem to help. I appreciate the reply though, any other ideas?
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#42
My condolences to you, I am having the exact same problem with my 77 F150. It only tries to start when you let off the key. Never mind the key switch, I replaced it this morning to no avail, ditto on the coil. I am down to the module or the dizzy, but I know it has to be in the starting circit between the key switch and the dizzy. I am not sure but I dont think there is a relay other than the solinoid. Does anyone know if you can jumper from the battery to the hot side of the coil to start one?
#43
I hope it's okay to hitchhike and dig up an old post, I'm not sure all the questions were answered?
Similar problem here with a 1975 350 Econoline 460cid 7.5l
Intermittent no spark from the coil - no matter if hot or cold
No spark until I release the key
Shorting across the solenoid does not solve it for me (turns over but no spark)
Replaced ignition coil, no help
Hotwiring from the battery (+) to coil (+) doesn't help
Hotwiring from the battery (+) to the red wire coming to the ignition module doesn't help (should eliminate switch problem?)
So for a 1975 DuoSpark, pre-TFI, it could be...
*Brown wire running from solenoid to coil
*DSII ignition module
*Pickup coil/stator
*Resistor wire prior to or at splice(?)
*Starter drawing too much power
*Bad ground somewhere
*Short somewhere
Anything else possible?
I'm broke down in a rural area and multimeter and "icepick" circuit tester will finally be here tomorrow.
I can run the DSII troubleshooting procedure (lost the link but downloaded the file) and will try troubleshooting the rest of the components and wiring.
Any tips, tricks, or hints would be appreciated and I will post a report when I get done.
@Numbersdummy gave me a lot of help in my original post and I had almost decided to just throw all the possible parts at it I could think of (EIM, stator, solenoid) but I'd rather just diagnose it for real because it could be "simple" like an intermittent short in the resister wire..? I just don't know
Any other experiences or clues?
Similar problem here with a 1975 350 Econoline 460cid 7.5l
Intermittent no spark from the coil - no matter if hot or cold
No spark until I release the key
Shorting across the solenoid does not solve it for me (turns over but no spark)
Replaced ignition coil, no help
Hotwiring from the battery (+) to coil (+) doesn't help
Hotwiring from the battery (+) to the red wire coming to the ignition module doesn't help (should eliminate switch problem?)
So for a 1975 DuoSpark, pre-TFI, it could be...
*Brown wire running from solenoid to coil
*DSII ignition module
*Pickup coil/stator
*Resistor wire prior to or at splice(?)
*Starter drawing too much power
*Bad ground somewhere
*Short somewhere
Anything else possible?
I'm broke down in a rural area and multimeter and "icepick" circuit tester will finally be here tomorrow.
I can run the DSII troubleshooting procedure (lost the link but downloaded the file) and will try troubleshooting the rest of the components and wiring.
Any tips, tricks, or hints would be appreciated and I will post a report when I get done.
@Numbersdummy gave me a lot of help in my original post and I had almost decided to just throw all the possible parts at it I could think of (EIM, stator, solenoid) but I'd rather just diagnose it for real because it could be "simple" like an intermittent short in the resister wire..? I just don't know
Any other experiences or clues?
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#45
Maybe this is the DSII troubleshooting procedure you are talking about.
https://www.pittauto.com/customer/pi...20Ignition.pdf
Or this one.
http://carrepairworld.blogspot.com/2...ii-system.html
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https://www.pittauto.com/customer/pi...20Ignition.pdf
Or this one.
http://carrepairworld.blogspot.com/2...ii-system.html
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