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Old 07-19-2006, 04:01 PM
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Question Tranny, Clutch, or Shifter troubble?

Driveline gurus need pointed in right direction. 1994 ranger. mazda m50dr1 trans.
1) Engine off, will shift into 3rd. & 4th. & o.d. freely. will not shift into 1st. & 2nd. will shift into reverse.
2) Engine running, will shift into 3rd.&4th. does not grind. will not shift to 1st or 2nd. or reverse.
3) will move ahead ok in 3rd.&4th. do not have a neutral even though shifter posistion indicates neutral. let out on clutch engine dies.
4) Am i looking at clutch troubble, s hifter malfunction, or internal transmission damage? Where to start, and how to troubleshoot? i know this is asking a lot, but somebody must of been there and done that, and knows what to look for? thank you everyone.
 
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Old 07-19-2006, 05:30 PM
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I'm no master, but this might keep you buzy till one gets here, check out your Slave Cylinder, throwout bearing, and read other posts on the topic, a few came up in the past 2 or 3 days
 
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Old 07-19-2006, 05:42 PM
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Check your synchros and shifter.
 
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Old 07-19-2006, 06:01 PM
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Sounds like a bent shift fork.

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alan, thanks for your info. ive read all i could and spent time in the search mode. cant find info dealing with my problem of no neutral? thank you.
 
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natebaker, i will pull shifter top and check forks and such. thank you. i would assume if the truck moved ok in 3rd.&4th clutch must be ok?
 
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rangerpilot, thanks ill check this out. appreciate all your help.
 
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natebaker, i will pull shifter top and check forks and such. thank you. i would assume if the truck moved ok in 3rd.&4th clutch must be ok?
I would see the clutch being fine. Also, try the 4-1 shuffle. Put the truck in 4th gear or reverse and then immediately put it in 1st. That would indicate such a problem with the synchros.
 
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natebaker, will try all of this tomarrow. thanks for the little tips and tricks that is what i was after, i seem to do better that way.sure helps keeping me from toatally dissmantleing my truck, and still not sure what i should be looking for or at. LOL!!!Thank you very very much.
 
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Good luck. Keep reading too, you never know what you'll find.
 
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natebaker,tried 4 to 1 shift and R to 1 shift, engine on and off. no grinding. when let out clutch its like there was no transmission. just like something was holding the trans from turning if that makes sense. truck still shifts and pulls excellent in 3 and 4. Even though i can get into reverse, at least according to the stick shift pattern, there is no reverse movement when clutch let out, clutch just grabs engine dies and nothging turns or moves? as all were saying could my shifter be messed up? im just trying to figure the best sartting point. i feel im sortta screwed, yes?
 
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By no means am I an expert, I am merely parroting what other ppl have said. I would say some serious problems exist. What kind of miles are on it? Is it the factory tranny or is it a rebuild?
 
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natebaker, factory tranny original, but had shifter rebuilt last year. and metal seal plugs put on rails. has about 83,000 miles. i will pull shifter tomarrow and look for bent forks, or other damage.i guess i was looking for the easy way out, like yeah this happened to me and this is what i did, or i am a trans. specialist and this is what i think, kinda stuff. just my luck, cant even get lucky, LOL. Thank you, you have been very helpfull.
 
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May i ask why did you have the shifter rebuilt. and maybe when that happended they let something like dirt into your tranny, this would cause your synchronisers could be shot, as well as various other components. you'ld need a rebuild or a new one. Hate to say it, but it sounds like your pressed with no options but to cough up the hard earned dough.
 
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alan, i removed the shifter system myself and took it to a very reputable shop. forks were worn, rubber plugs replaced with metal ones. also shifter bushings and pins replaced at that time. i will pull it out again tomarrow, because new is just a relative term and means nothing. Yes, ill probably need synchros bearings, but i heard they are relatively cheap for six at about sixty bucks or so. wont really know untill i get in there. still no one has explained to me why neutral is not present anymore? Still seems auwfull lot like a shifter problem as ranger pilot says. i wont bite the bullett quite yet though, not till i get a peek inside tranny. thank you for trying to help me, i appreciate it.
 


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