Hi

I am in the market for a new SD.

Should one take advantage of the rebates on the 2006?

Hold out for the new 2008 coming out in early 2007?

The new engine sounds so cool with the twin turbo and 650 foot lbs of torque.


Reading some of the pros and cones of the 7.3 and 6.0. Brings up the point, lack of emissions on the 7.3 with less maintenance cost. The new 6.4 will have even more emissions. Even more moving parts to go wrong. Will some day the 6.0 be talked about like the 7.3 and the new 6.4 be the most expensive to maintain.


Don’t worry it has 100,000 warranty? By then ford will have all the bugs worked out and will last another 200,000 miles?


It sound like all the early issues are fixed and most people are happy with the 6.0.


I bet the after market world will really do some amazing things with the new 6.4


BUY THE 2006 OR THE 2008???????

 

Remember when the 6.0 first came out and all the "issues" they had?

What's the 6.4 going to do? Have some initial issues that need to be worked out.

So, buy a 6.0 that has had the issues taken care of already, or buy a brand-new 6.4 and get a brand-new set of "issues".

If it were me, I'd buy the 2006 6.0. Unless you want to wait until 2010 when they have most of the issues taken care of

One note: I've only bought three new vehicles in my life, all in the last 10 years. Each one was out quite a long time before I bought. I wouldn't ever buy the "first" of anything.

My sister did that with two vehicles. Each one had MOUNDS of problems, recalls, TSBs, etc. etc. I learned from her experiences

 

Go for the 6.0 and let the 6.4 be street proven for a year. The 6.0 is pretty solid, now, and ford has addressed a ton of issues since its launch.

in addition, the 6.4 may have a much higher premium attached to its cost. Alot of additional emissions junk has been added... It may be a beast, but I wouldn't be be test pilot for ford after the beating the initial 6.0 owners took.

 

"Will some day the 6.0 be talked about like the 7.3"

Probably not...I think the short run and the early problems will put a cloud over that unit for a while...

 

I'm in the same situation, not sure what to do? I drive a company vehicle daily so it would be a weekend workhorse. I put on roughly 12,000/yr on my F150 right now. If I buy a diesel I plan on keeping it for a very long time. What to do?

 

Do you remember the '03 6.0 launch? Would you EVER chance a 6.4 launch after that debacle? Do you have more or less trust in the Ford diesel then or now? Do you wish they would bring back the 7.3? You need to look real hard at these questions before dropping 45K or more.

I still don't trust the 6.0 even now while I read the-diesel-stop pages. They still have turbo issues, oil leaks, etc. If you really need a diesel, I would look at the most simple design and it reads....Cummins. Unfortunately it's wrapped in a Dodge body.

I know I'm a traitor for saying it, bu ' a lot of money to invest just to have your truck sitting in the shop for things FORD can't fix even after 3 years of trying. What good is a warranty if they can't fix their engineering/assembly flaws.

 

The photos on the site of the new truck are not what I expected. It does not resemble the tonka truck! The grill changed along with the tail lights. Everything inverted not so innovative. The sheet metal did not change that much. The interior is not that impressive either! I really expected something breathe taking. I have waited since 2004 for this new truck. Can’t they come up with something better come on ford get with it?

 

I know the history behind the 6.0, that's why I have a 05 Supercrew F-150 right now. But my need for a dielsel is about to grow. I agree about the Cummins, and the fact that it's in a Dodge. Decisons!

 

I'll ditto what Krewat said. If you want a 6.4, give it a couple years of real world road testing to work the bugs out first. If I'm not mistaken, even the venerable 7.3 had issues its first couple of years. However, its long production run helped it overcome a slow start. The 6.0 could eventually garner a similar reputation but its short production run will probably never allow it to escape its first couple years.

 

In my opinion I think you should go with the 2006 6.0 PSD

 

hold out for a 08 and the RUMORED price will be 10k or abouts for the 6.4 option due to the new emissions laws and fuel. plus as the other guys have said the 6.0 pretty much has been debuged and is reliable now. imm don't wait.
twin turbos it is only its a low pressure into a high pressure . to do the same as before

 

Add me to the krewat bandwagon. I wouldn't chance a first-year engine, especially if I was going to work it hard.

 

IMHO...I would wait for the 6.4L. FORD has a lot...and I mean a lot riding on this new release diesel. I predict this will be a SOLID engine. Yes, it may have a bug, but I would not bet on it. Again, FORD is investing tons of money so that this PSD is the beast...as advertised!

In regards to the 6.0L, it does not bother me that it has leaks from time to time. Mostly the FORD techs take care of those...and no more issues. Same goes with the turbo. However, what most folks fail to mention is the failed design of the 6.0L. That happens to be the EGR. This has been proven to be a design flaw and continued issue with the 6.0L. It usually affects the folks that let that 6.0L idle for very long periods (working trucks really). A design flaw is just that...a design flaw. No reflash is going to fix that.

OBTW...the 6.4L is rumored to have 3 EGR valves. Humm...seems logical and a fix.

Ok...just my .02

biz

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2003 F250 SD SC 142" XLT FX4 V10 Auto 4x4 3.73s

 

egr and diesels right now all the builders are haveing problems with it. as most of the guys know i was a dealer tech. service manager and a feild tech for vw and others. even vw had problems with egr clogging things up and the motor stopping at any time. they as ford is hopeing for. have a water cooled egr. still the intake manifolds would clog up and the motors just stop running. same with turbos, variable vane types where carbon causes problems. maybe ford has some thing going with the low into high. series turbo. not twin turbo as every one thinks."twin means one each bank this motor is not that" what i have personally seen is a series set up. this helps do away with the vvt. but still the specs state vgt"viriable gate type" for the high pressure one. production who know's yet?

but these are areas that still bug me personally .with ?'s of will my new 10k or abouts motor die and not run when i need it most?. how many new motor bugs will we the owners face that have been missed? "yes ford has had failers in testing"

diesels? i did have a 7.3. a grand motor and one of the 6.0's that did win lemon law. so for me i'll just wait it out till the 09 comes out just to play safe. but this is my personal view as a tech who has seen the worst. and not every one feels the same.
if i'm putting out near 45 to 50k for a loaded new ride, i'm playing safe and waiting to see how the first ones turn out to be . meaning new body?, new motor?, new trans? can the old t.s. handle the new motor ? or have to be moded to a 6 speed auto? lots of ?'s and no anwser's from ford yet nor any thing more then a few specs.

i'm retired on a fixed income so for my cash i'm waiting it out. not knocking or plusing anything yet. show me how and what the hard drivers show to have failing grades on first.

 

The words variable vane and twin turbo's scares me. Double trouble. I care not whether they are series or parallel, they are just compounding a problem.

Order the 6.8 liter V-10 with 4.30LS gears and run circles around all those smokers and screamers, and have $6,000.00 extra in your pocket to buy gas with.