Chevy posted numbers for 2005 that said they out sold ford by 21000 vehicles.

Ford has found, (through a independant source) that they actually out sold chevy by 5000, if you only count vehicles that were registared last year.

This means, according to the news, that GM was counting cars and trucks they shipped out to dealers, not cars and trucks that were actually sold to consumers. Could this be why there are some discounts from GM dealers right now?

 

If this is true,,? It sounds like something GM would do !

 

Yep, Ford is contacting GM get them to stop running the, "Americas number 1 brand" commercials.

 

Actually GM and Ford both posted there sales numbers and Chevy did outsell Ford I don't remember the numbers thought. But now Ford is saying they have more registered vehicles but that is not the way it works it goes by how many sold, who is right? don't know but this could get ugly.

 

Like I said in the beginning post, GM said they outsold ford by 21000 vehicles. Ford is saying that GM sold that many cars to dealerships, not to actual consumers who would then register their vehicles. GM was padding the numbers, and Ford is saying that their commercial stating that GM is, "Americas #1 brand" is false advertising.


Yes, this could get ugly.

 

I would think that Ford would have bigger things to worry about besides what GM "claims".

 

You would think right, but that has got to be the worst thing about the auto industry - the bickering and the poly-tiks.

I personally couldn't care less who sold more cars/trucks, and who is advertising what...

 

Exactly what i was gonna say.

 

A lot of non-informed, or opinionated people do though. This could be huge in terms of sales.

 

Soooo......

When is a car actually counted as sold? Care to guess? When it drops off of the convoy truck at the dealership. Chevy (and Ford) are notorious for playing fast and loose with the numbers, counting either dealer deliveries (that's actually when the car is sold), or registrations, depending on what works best. Enron's got nothing on these guys.

 

Enron's got nothing on these guys.
Hey, at least it has left Ford's/GM's have got rid of the vehicles, and that they aren't shutting down plants to drive the price of cars up...

I am actually kind of surprised about this. There is a standard here that all car/truck sales must be calculated through a 3rd party (Vfacts), and it is counted only when registrations are made.

 

I think the classic was 5 years ago, when Cadillac had to publicly apologize to Lincoln because they padded sales figures by a few thousand units. 'Course, both of them are neglecting the real issue- did they outsell Toyota!

 

An the morril off this story is possibly next year Toyota outselling both GM an Ford. Americas number one brand Toyota. Doesnt that sound sickening. Sad very sad.

 

It is very sad, but Ford will survive. They have a better truck, more selection, more power, and the Toyota wave of success, like anything, will come to and end. Ford is doing restructuring, and they are shutting alot of plants, and Yota is building a huge plant in southern ontario. It is a necessary evil, and it is helping Ford save alot. Some people will buy a toyota becasue of its warranty. Some will buy because they are also relaible like Ford. Some for fuel economy, and some because they had a ford before and it satrted to act up at 300 000 miles, and trucks should last forever. Why because they can't fix the darn things anymore!
The toyotas will get stuck in the mud eventually.

 

Remember when VW found a million beetle sales just to stay ahead of the F series for one more year.