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I know there are alot of different programmers for the 6.0, I am curious of the max hp/tq that can be gained by them.
Also whats a good estimate if there is one for gained power by adding an intake, exhaust, and inter cooler?
I am thinking about getting a 6.0 and I am curious if I can keep up with my friends who have diesels with programmers.
Thanks
Also whats a good estimate if there is one for gained power by adding an intake, exhaust, and inter cooler?
I am thinking about getting a 6.0 and I am curious if I can keep up with my friends who have diesels with programmers.
Thanks
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Originally Posted by lifted77f250
I know there are alot of different programmers for the 6.0, I am curious of the max hp/tq that can be gained by them.
Also whats a good estimate if there is one for gained power by adding an intake, exhaust, and inter cooler?
I am thinking about getting a 6.0 and I am curious if I can keep up with my friends who have diesels with programmers.
Thanks
Also whats a good estimate if there is one for gained power by adding an intake, exhaust, and inter cooler?
I am thinking about getting a 6.0 and I am curious if I can keep up with my friends who have diesels with programmers.
Thanks
Vic... You out there????
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I'm out of the tuning business!
I can answer this, though =o)
The SCMT makes serious gains and is painstakingly tested for reliability, drivability, etc...
The SCT tuner can be programmed by an SCT dealer, and the end result will depend on that dealers individual skill.
It's the way to get the MOST you can out of it, but squeezing more power will result in more soot.
SCT and SCMT both make fine products, but with a different purpose.
SCMT is primarily for the guy who wants to make power, have better shifting and an extended RPM curve, maybe add intake, exhaust and gauges and leave it at that.
SCT is for the guys who aren't afraid to really go for it, the guys who like to stack products or run propane/nitrous, etc...more for the hardcore guys who are more concerned with squeaking out as much power as possible.
Of course, this is a generalization, becuase SCT also has toned down files which have more safety margin built in.
SCMT or SCT, either way you are getting a good product.
I can answer this, though =o)
The SCMT makes serious gains and is painstakingly tested for reliability, drivability, etc...
The SCT tuner can be programmed by an SCT dealer, and the end result will depend on that dealers individual skill.
It's the way to get the MOST you can out of it, but squeezing more power will result in more soot.
SCT and SCMT both make fine products, but with a different purpose.
SCMT is primarily for the guy who wants to make power, have better shifting and an extended RPM curve, maybe add intake, exhaust and gauges and leave it at that.
SCT is for the guys who aren't afraid to really go for it, the guys who like to stack products or run propane/nitrous, etc...more for the hardcore guys who are more concerned with squeaking out as much power as possible.
Of course, this is a generalization, becuase SCT also has toned down files which have more safety margin built in.
SCMT or SCT, either way you are getting a good product.
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Originally Posted by Vic_Ferrari
I'm out of the tuning business!
I can answer this, though =o)
The SCMT makes serious gains and is painstakingly tested for reliability, drivability, etc...
The SCT tuner can be programmed by an SCT dealer, and the end result will depend on that dealers individual skill.
It's the way to get the MOST you can out of it, but squeezing more power will result in more soot.
SCT and SCMT both make fine products, but with a different purpose.
SCMT is primarily for the guy who wants to make power, have better shifting and an extended RPM curve, maybe add intake, exhaust and gauges and leave it at that.
SCT is for the guys who aren't afraid to really go for it, the guys who like to stack products or run propane/nitrous, etc...more for the hardcore guys who are more concerned with squeaking out as much power as possible.
Of course, this is a generalization, becuase SCT also has toned down files which have more safety margin built in.
SCMT or SCT, either way you are getting a good product.
I can answer this, though =o)
The SCMT makes serious gains and is painstakingly tested for reliability, drivability, etc...
The SCT tuner can be programmed by an SCT dealer, and the end result will depend on that dealers individual skill.
It's the way to get the MOST you can out of it, but squeezing more power will result in more soot.
SCT and SCMT both make fine products, but with a different purpose.
SCMT is primarily for the guy who wants to make power, have better shifting and an extended RPM curve, maybe add intake, exhaust and gauges and leave it at that.
SCT is for the guys who aren't afraid to really go for it, the guys who like to stack products or run propane/nitrous, etc...more for the hardcore guys who are more concerned with squeaking out as much power as possible.
Of course, this is a generalization, becuase SCT also has toned down files which have more safety margin built in.
SCMT or SCT, either way you are getting a good product.
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I have been running a Bully Dog Power Pup and I am much more impressed with it over my old SCMT on my 04. The shifts are firm and fast and makes great power. Hopefully, when I get my outlook installed I will try to do some stacking, unless PSD60LFX4 talks me out of it again!
P.S. - I am just kidding about the stacking MATT I know you are all against it. I am goin Snow Performance Stage 3 before I do anything else.
P.S. - I am just kidding about the stacking MATT I know you are all against it. I am goin Snow Performance Stage 3 before I do anything else.
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SCT tunes can be built for whatever you wish (towing, economy, or race). Why would you go with an off the shelf programmer when you can get custom tunes for about the same money. I use DJ's tunes but you can't go wrong with Innovative, Kermit, ATS, or Biava. Unless they have some serious money dropped in their rigs you will definately keep up with them. The real question is, will they keep up with you??? 
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All I can say is DO NOT get an inline device like the banks six-gun. Get a programmer. Have the banks, and it is a pain if you want to bring it in for service. Just purchased the SCMT1704 and love it.
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Originally Posted by CBSuperduty
SCT tunes can be built for whatever you wish (towing, economy, or race). Why would you go with an off the shelf programmer when you can get custom tunes for about the same money. I use DJ's tunes but you can't go wrong with Innovative, Kermit, ATS, or Biava. Unless they have some serious money dropped in their rigs you will definately keep up with them. The real question is, will they keep up with you???
Some people will prefer a custom tune, but some prefer a tune done by a huge company who was extremely paranoid about safety/warranty issues during the programming process.
It's just a different demographic.
What I mean is, they are all "custom" to a certain degree.
SCMT programmers have 3 different programs in it.
The tuning is standardized, tested on many trucks and has a safety margin built in.
SCT simply allows you to have custom changes for special wants or special modifications.
There is burden and blessing in this, because changes often are "experimental" in comparison and will vary greatly from shop to shop.
How does "Bob" at billybobs custom tuning know how high he can set the injector timing without blowing the truck up?
It's just a different kind of customer.....
It takes thousands of dyno hours to really learn a vehicle type to the fullest.
I'll repeat this again, sort of as a disclaimer:
Both are great products for their intended purposes and target audience.
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I agree 100% with Vic on this one (Who would have thunk it... 
). Superchips has obviously done their homework on the 6.0 tunes. We have heard nothing but good things about it.
If you go with SCT... You NEED to do your homework first! Ask around, go to all the truck forums, study sites on the internet... You will see a pattern when you do this. There are a handful of tuners out there that are VERY highly respected and used by the owners of the fastest 6.0L trucks. Some have been mentioned on this thread already. Like Vic said, you don't want to get stuck with some "Quack with a laptop" making tunes!
To answer your original question- The tune that I have from Innovative Diesel is the Xtreme Street Tune. It dynos at 420rwhp and 790rwtq. I have seen 1/4mile times around 13.7sec from people with this tune. I should say that I have a 4' turbo-back exhaust and AFE Stage 2 intake, as well.
). Superchips has obviously done their homework on the 6.0 tunes. We have heard nothing but good things about it. If you go with SCT... You NEED to do your homework first! Ask around, go to all the truck forums, study sites on the internet... You will see a pattern when you do this. There are a handful of tuners out there that are VERY highly respected and used by the owners of the fastest 6.0L trucks. Some have been mentioned on this thread already. Like Vic said, you don't want to get stuck with some "Quack with a laptop" making tunes!
To answer your original question- The tune that I have from Innovative Diesel is the Xtreme Street Tune. It dynos at 420rwhp and 790rwtq. I have seen 1/4mile times around 13.7sec from people with this tune. I should say that I have a 4' turbo-back exhaust and AFE Stage 2 intake, as well.
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That is why I named a few well known tuners. One of which writes the tunes (or resells I should say) for the worlds fastest PSD and another has his own DHRA truck and is a fulltime Ford Diesel mechanic. For what it's worth SCT used to be owned by Superchips and the dealers all start out with a set of base files.
I didn't knock the off the shelf boxes. I just don't understand why you would purchase a one size fits all programmer when you could get custom (from a well known vendor). You can have them from mild to wild. To each there own though...
I didn't knock the off the shelf boxes. I just don't understand why you would purchase a one size fits all programmer when you could get custom (from a well known vendor). You can have them from mild to wild. To each there own though...
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Originally Posted by CBSuperduty
That is why I named a few well known tuners. One of which writes the tunes (or resells I should say) for the worlds fastest PSD and another has his own DHRA truck and is a fulltime Ford Diesel mechanic. For what it's worth SCT used to be owned by Superchips and the dealers all start out with a set of base files.
I didn't knock the off the shelf boxes. I just don't understand why you would purchase a one size fits all programmer when you could get custom (from a well known vendor). You can have them from mild to wild. To each there own though...
I didn't knock the off the shelf boxes. I just don't understand why you would purchase a one size fits all programmer when you could get custom (from a well known vendor). You can have them from mild to wild. To each there own though...
If you don't want to do your homework or deal with a smaller shop, the mass market products are the way to go. Some people just want a no nonsense reliable tune they know thousands of people are already running...
Others want to really go for it.
Only a small part of SCT was owned by superchips (and is not anymore), and any similarities in files was due to CJ and I exchanging R&D files, WAY back in the beginning a couple years ago.
Honestly, much of what I did could not have been done without CJ and his software, and for a good month or so were were sending files back and forth to each other, showing what we had found.
This is why the power curves are similar, but I was forced to add more safety margin to the tunes for a mass-market product, not to mention, no two people tune exactly the same.
Even though SCT base files and superchips inc do share some similarities in tuning style based one some early cross-communiction and aggressive people tuning who were not afraid to try new things, they are still different tunes.
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I bought an SCMT 1704-a two days ago for my '05 SD. I purchased it mainly in the hopes of squeezing out a few more mpg's, the extra power, firmer shifts and such are just icing on the cake. I was getting a steady 17mpg everday (not good IMHO for a 2wd diesel, when I know guys with 7.3's getting in the twenties) I've only run it on econo mode and am getting 19.6 +/- now. That doesn't seem like much but it's enough to save me $24 per month.
As for why I chose this tuner? Well, it cost me $306, I don't have to worry about the tune being too radical, takes 10 minutes to install, and no special tools required, which is not an issue becuase I regularly tinker with my self modded Toyota Land Cruisers, but I'm just lazy and cautious when it comes to my daily driver. I want to get in it, turn the key and drive it with no worries or gauge watching.
P.S. - Why won't this thing show my sig when I select that option? I hafta edit the post everytime to paste my sig in.. GRRRR!
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2005 F250 Crew Cab - 6.0L - No Mods Yet
1972 FJ40 Land Cruiser - Small block 400 - SOA - 4whl Disc Brakes - much more
1983 FJ60 Land Cruiser - 5.7L TBI - more to come
As for why I chose this tuner? Well, it cost me $306, I don't have to worry about the tune being too radical, takes 10 minutes to install, and no special tools required, which is not an issue becuase I regularly tinker with my self modded Toyota Land Cruisers, but I'm just lazy and cautious when it comes to my daily driver. I want to get in it, turn the key and drive it with no worries or gauge watching.
P.S. - Why won't this thing show my sig when I select that option? I hafta edit the post everytime to paste my sig in.. GRRRR!
Tym
2005 F250 Crew Cab - 6.0L - No Mods Yet
1972 FJ40 Land Cruiser - Small block 400 - SOA - 4whl Disc Brakes - much more
1983 FJ60 Land Cruiser - 5.7L TBI - more to come
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Originally Posted by Tym
...P.S. - Why won't this thing show my sig when I select that option? I hafta edit the post everytime to paste my sig in.. GRRRR!
Tym
2005 F250 Crew Cab - 6.0L - No Mods Yet
1972 FJ40 Land Cruiser - Small block 400 - SOA - 4whl Disc Brakes - much more
1983 FJ60 Land Cruiser - 5.7L TBI - more to come
Tym
2005 F250 Crew Cab - 6.0L - No Mods Yet
1972 FJ40 Land Cruiser - Small block 400 - SOA - 4whl Disc Brakes - much more
1983 FJ60 Land Cruiser - 5.7L TBI - more to come
The forum is setup so people dont have to look at signatures everytime people post....
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Originally Posted by Tym
Aha... Thanks.. Sorry if I was anyone you guys by pasting my sig.....
My Sig is usally a mile long on other forums! The forum owners have their reasons here, I guess. 
