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I had my truck towed to the dealership yesterday cuz my starter died. I had starterd the truck and the starter would not shut off after turning the ignition on and off several times it stopped.. Anyone else had this happen? Anyway I have a new starter now in my 2001 w/43K so I should be good for a while.
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Never had this happen on any of my pickups but my 73 Cougar did it a couple times.
I had that car 13 years and put 3 starters in it.
I had an 86 Camry 16 years and never touched the starter. The wife was driving the kids everywhere with the Camry and it had a minimum of 8 starts a day. I did the math and that was over 46000 starts.
The Cougar, we had no kids, lucky to have 4 starts a day, that is 19000 starts divided by 4 different starters so we have the Ford starters wearing out after 5000 starts and the Toyota starter still going strong after 46000 starts.
But Ford could not figure out why they were losing sales to Toyota. Duhhhhhhhhhh!!
Now, Ford is building better cars but people don't forget the past. I just might make my next car a Ford because my 05 SD feels so well made and I think that Ford has caught up to the Japanese, just hope it is not too late.
I had that car 13 years and put 3 starters in it.
I had an 86 Camry 16 years and never touched the starter. The wife was driving the kids everywhere with the Camry and it had a minimum of 8 starts a day. I did the math and that was over 46000 starts.
The Cougar, we had no kids, lucky to have 4 starts a day, that is 19000 starts divided by 4 different starters so we have the Ford starters wearing out after 5000 starts and the Toyota starter still going strong after 46000 starts.
But Ford could not figure out why they were losing sales to Toyota. Duhhhhhhhhhh!!
Now, Ford is building better cars but people don't forget the past. I just might make my next car a Ford because my 05 SD feels so well made and I think that Ford has caught up to the Japanese, just hope it is not too late.
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Here's the thing:
The solenoid can stick ... usually this happens because the battery or wiring is weak, adding resistance, and it overheats the contacts in the solenoid and they weld together.
I'd check everything else to make sure it's up to snuff. That includes the battery, starter wiring, relay/solenoid on the fender, everything between the battery and the starter, including ground straps.
I had this happen many times in my '74 highboy - each time, the battery had a low charge or battery terminals were corroded, etc.
Wrench, I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Everyone I know with late-model Japanese cars has had big $ fixes to them after the warranty was up. Sure, after fixing them, they keep going, but hey, I've had less work done on my '96/97 t-bird/cougar 4.6L's (barring the intake change last week on the Cougar which I knew would happen eventually) and the '01 SD than ANYONE I know with non-Ford products of any brand. That's not a large statistical universe, but I'll stick with what I know
The solenoid can stick ... usually this happens because the battery or wiring is weak, adding resistance, and it overheats the contacts in the solenoid and they weld together.
I'd check everything else to make sure it's up to snuff. That includes the battery, starter wiring, relay/solenoid on the fender, everything between the battery and the starter, including ground straps.
I had this happen many times in my '74 highboy - each time, the battery had a low charge or battery terminals were corroded, etc.
Wrench, I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Everyone I know with late-model Japanese cars has had big $ fixes to them after the warranty was up. Sure, after fixing them, they keep going, but hey, I've had less work done on my '96/97 t-bird/cougar 4.6L's (barring the intake change last week on the Cougar which I knew would happen eventually) and the '01 SD than ANYONE I know with non-Ford products of any brand. That's not a large statistical universe, but I'll stick with what I know
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Come to think of it, it happened in my '96 t-bird 4.6L once when the battery went all at once. Went into the store, came out, cranked, stuck on, got it shutdown, re-cranked and almost NOTHING - battery died. New battery, never had a problem with that starter in the last 4 years, my sister is driving it now.
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Picked the Ex up today and the new starter definatley sounds different. spins much faster. I just wonder if my old one was slowly dying and I just did'nt notice. Towed there and starter replaced for $337.00. I can live with that. Insurance will give me 75.00 for the tow. I should maybe start looking for a battery too.
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Originally Posted by Shad's EX
Picked the Ex up today and the new starter definatley sounds different. spins much faster. I just wonder if my old one was slowly dying and I just did'nt notice. Towed there and starter replaced for $337.00. I can live with that. Insurance will give me 75.00 for the tow. I should maybe start looking for a battery too.
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Originally Posted by Wrenchtraveller
Never had this happen on any of my pickups but my 73 Cougar did it a couple times.
I had that car 13 years and put 3 starters in it.
I had an 86 Camry 16 years and never touched the starter. The wife was driving the kids everywhere with the Camry and it had a minimum of 8 starts a day. I did the math and that was over 46000 starts.
The Cougar, we had no kids, lucky to have 4 starts a day, that is 19000 starts divided by 4 different starters so we have the Ford starters wearing out after 5000 starts and the Toyota starter still going strong after 46000 starts.
But Ford could not figure out why they were losing sales to Toyota. Duhhhhhhhhhh!!
Now, Ford is building better cars but people don't forget the past. I just might make my next car a Ford because my 05 SD feels so well made and I think that Ford has caught up to the Japanese, just hope it is not too late.
I had that car 13 years and put 3 starters in it.
I had an 86 Camry 16 years and never touched the starter. The wife was driving the kids everywhere with the Camry and it had a minimum of 8 starts a day. I did the math and that was over 46000 starts.
The Cougar, we had no kids, lucky to have 4 starts a day, that is 19000 starts divided by 4 different starters so we have the Ford starters wearing out after 5000 starts and the Toyota starter still going strong after 46000 starts.
But Ford could not figure out why they were losing sales to Toyota. Duhhhhhhhhhh!!
Now, Ford is building better cars but people don't forget the past. I just might make my next car a Ford because my 05 SD feels so well made and I think that Ford has caught up to the Japanese, just hope it is not too late.
And finally, as for starters, we should all be thankful we have starters in an accessible area. The Cadillac modulars have the starters up in the intake valley. Think about a bad starter on a supercharged Cadillac modular. The intercooler is built into the manifold, what a nightmare ! "Yes Mr STS-V owner, I can get that starter replaced right away. Flat rate says $3100 with parts, sign here". WWWHHHEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!
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Or; "if you can't beat em, join em". The new Fusion, which I love the looks of BTW, is basically a Mazda 6. Too bad it has the tired, old Taurus 3.0 V6. But that's the opt engine, the base is the 2.3 I4. And, next year the Ford stable is getting a new V6. I've heard it's a 3.5 liter with 250+ hp.
And finally, as for starters, we should all be thankful we have starters in an accessible area. The Cadillac modulars have the starters up in the intake valley. Think about a bad starter on a supercharged Cadillac modular. The intercooler is built into the manifold, what a nightmare ! "Yes Mr STS-V owner, I can get that starter replaced right away. Flat rate says $3100 with parts, sign here". WWWHHHEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!
And finally, as for starters, we should all be thankful we have starters in an accessible area. The Cadillac modulars have the starters up in the intake valley. Think about a bad starter on a supercharged Cadillac modular. The intercooler is built into the manifold, what a nightmare ! "Yes Mr STS-V owner, I can get that starter replaced right away. Flat rate says $3100 with parts, sign here". WWWHHHEEEEEEEE !!!!!!!
Starter in the intake valley? Are they OHC? I'm assuming so. I know! They could have put the starter on the timing chain cover, and driving the timing chains instead, that would have been innovative
Better yet, they probably use timing belts... 
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Reminds me of my first car 62 Fairlane, I was going to school downtown and someone had stollen my battery, so I thought I would be smart and got a chain and lock to lock the hood down. Well, one winter night I went to leave my brothers and the solonoid stuck and the starter kept spinning. There was snow on the ground and my key chain broke and the key to the lock went in the snow, I dint think I was ever going to get that hood up. Wife had a Taurus with a 3.0 in it with way over 100,000 miles on it and never had a problem with it, I would rather have it than the 3.8, too many bad story of head gaskets and cracked heads on those.
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Doesn't hurt the engine, just the teeth on the starter and flywheel and possibly the bushing in the end of the starter if it gets spun up. Which it shouldn't because of the Bendix gear. Or more accurately, the one-way clutch behind the gear.
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If, after starting, the starter stays engaged, the one-way clutch keeps anything from happening too badly to the starter, and if you shutdown the motor and the starter is still cranking, it's not going to hurt the motor itself one bit. Unless it sits there for hours and hours and never gets oil splashed up on the cylinders, or something like that. But I think oil pressure is high enough SOME oil would get squited up there even.
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It's got the 3.0? Maybe that's a point in it's favor. Any ideas how many 3.0's are running around with 150K+ miles both from private people and large fleets? My stepson has one of those 3.0's in a '90 Taurus... it's edging up around 130K miles, runs like a top, gets great MPG, starts up every day, etc. Never been in for more work than a catalytic converter (got the log book from previous owner). Looks like heck...
Starter in the intake valley? Are they OHC? I'm assuming so. I know! They could have put the starter on the timing chain cover, and driving the timing chains instead, that would have been innovative Better yet, they probably use timing belts...
Starter in the intake valley? Are they OHC? I'm assuming so. I know! They could have put the starter on the timing chain cover, and driving the timing chains instead, that would have been innovative
Better yet, they probably use timing belts... The 4.6 Northstar is OHC, and no kidding, the starter is on the back of the engine, under the intake manifold. There was no room for it in the FWD version. And once the converted it to RWD it stayed there.
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