Carl,
This vehicle is Dark-Blue everywhere except were previous owners repaired
it has to be orginal because it's blue under fuel tank and behind firewall insulation
Paul

 

Thanks,

The Dark Blue was called Sheridan Blue. I really appreicate the information. Ford initially used numbers for the paint codes. Most plants went to using letters for the paint codes for the beginning 1950 model year. Some held off on this conversion until mid-year 1950, and some never did make the change during 1950. In any case, I looked to see what I had for a numerical paint code for Sheridan Blue and it was one of three colors I did not have one for. Appreciate you helping me out with this.

 

I am restoring what is supposed to be a 1951 F-1 PU.
The title # is CHN1B217K
The Firewall # is H1CH14776
I believe the CH stand for Chicago assy plant.
Engine is 226 6 cylinder.
3-speed tranny with column shift.

I have ordered stainless steel preformed brake lines from National Parts Depot and LMC Truck.
Neither one fit the truck and were returned.

Lafe Nelson
lancerone@wi.rr.com

 

I have a, supposedly, 1951 Ford F-1 that I am restoring.
Questions:
The title # is H1CH14776
The cowl is CHN1B217K
Could you tell me wha I have or where I can look for more information.

I have ordered two sets of stainless steel brake lines from two different suppliers. Neither one fits my F-1 pickup and had to be returned.

Lafe Nelson

 

Hi Lafe, welcome to FTE. I saw your other post, but the numbers seemed strange when I first read them. Looking a little closer here's my best guess:

The title left off the first series designation for an F1 - normally it would read F1H1CH14776 and you have all the info for it.
F1 - half ton
H - six cylinder
1 - 1951
CH - Chicago Assembly plant
14776 - serial number

The cowl stamping is more of a guessing game, but here's my shot at it:
CH - Chicago
N - Vermillion (red)
1B - 1st February
217K - car down the assembly line

Try Joblot Automotive, Inc for your parts if you're restoring. You might ask your question about parts fitting in the regular part of the forum. Probably more guys will see it.

 

Thank you for the quick answer.
I will try Joblot Automotive for more information.

Lafe

 

took some pics of my 49 F6...er, uh, my uncle inlaws. He said I could still have it, along with the 49 F8 dump. I didn't get the F8 info, but here's the F62H TH238923 it's a flathead 8, w/hoses mounted to the front of the heads, not the middle. It's also a floor shift. No bed.

 

2H TH238923

Havi,

I think what you have here is the VIN# and the 2 at the beginning is actually a "7". That would make it 7HTH238923. If you look real close, there should be a "9" preceeding the "7" and thus 97HTH 238923. this breaks down as follows:

9 = 1949/50 model years
7H = 226 c.i.d. Flathead 6 cylinder
TH = F6 (2 ton) 134" wheelbase)
238923 = VIn sequence #. this one would almost certainly be a 1949 as it seems a bit low to be a 1950.

There may be a set of numbers stamped on the firewall or cowling just above the firewall but in the engnine comparmtent. That would ahve the coor code, assembly plant code, and date code built into it. May be tough to read and it may not be there. If it is and the truck has always been in the area, I'd bet it is a Saint Paul/Twin Cities truck.

 

Carl, here's another one for the collection. Just got home this morning with my 48 F6. Glovebox door tag is missing. Firewall data tag is 88RT 22117 - pretty early! At this point I can't find anything stamped on the cowl. Just beginning to dig into things.

 

yeah, I took a picture with my old camera of the firewall vin plate. the reflection made it tough to read. I got part of the branch code : KC

it's definately a v8, though maybe it's not original?

 

Well, your truck was built in Kansas City. That looks like the firewall VIN plate and the numbers are as I assumed in the above post. The other numbers I was referring to are actually stamped into the firewall or into the cowl just above the firewall. They are not stamped onto a data plate. If you page through the many pages of this thread, you will see some photos that have been posted showing these numbers. they could be small, they could be big, Threy could be to the right side of the truck, most likely they will be somewhere in the middle but could also be off to the left. They could be in a single row in in tow or more rows. As you can tell Ford wasn't always very consistent with how they stamped these numbers but the general arrangement was as follows:

2 KC 21J 170

where 2 = color code = Vermillion Red
KC = Kansas City Asemby Plant
21J = 9/21/1949 build date
170 = some sort of plant specific sequence #.

the above example was taken from an F1 I found here locally with the VIn # 98RC239176 which is very near yours in sequence. This can be somewhat deceiving however since they seemd to have separate blcoks of numbers for V8's and 6 cylinders. I would be very interested in getting the firewall stamping numbers off of you truck when you get a chance, particulaly because I have a V* number listed so close in sequence. I'd really be intersted to see that the tiem difference in build dates was.

Also, you mentioend the truck has a V8 in it. Is it a flathead??. Ar ethere any signs that the engine may have been replaced? What side is the battery tray on? Any indication that the mounting holes for a 6 cyl radiator (located jst forward of the mounting holes for the v8 radiator) were ever used?

Thanks,

Carl

 

tray on D-side. The stamping, as I remember had 49 and some other stuff. I didn't get a chance to write it down.(it's 200+miles away)

 

I have beeen following this thread for some time because it tracks a question I have always had with my F3 which I bought in 1988 for $300.
It was titled as a 50 but as I tore it down & began locating spare parts all the signs indicated that it was a 49 or very early 50.
It had the 49 running boards, 49 water pumps and I recall 1948 was stenciled on the back of the gauge cluster. I believe that everything with the possible exception of the hood was original because under the other colors,(it had had some bad paint jobs over the years) in the joints, under the rubber bumpers, and even the wooden crossmembers of the bed and the pieces of the original bed wood had red paint
on them. I know that I had several other indicators that it was a 49 but the specifics of them elude me at the moment. If I recall the hood didn't show red and had a large helping of lead work around the nose. The truck was even rolling on the 17" tires over the original 2 piece rims.
If my truck had stampings on the cowl either I or the fellow who eventually completed the body work and painting buried them completely and my curiosity isn't strong enough for me to uncover them right now. The restoration was finally completed in the fall of 2001.
Having told you all that here is the information I have for your database
Model F-3
1 1950
2 98RY222614 HP
3 Raised
4 I'm pretty sure
5 4 speed
6 Floor shift
7 Not available

 

I found the frame vin on my 48 F1, and it's diffrent than my cab....go figure. Anyhow, the cab says 87HC 69620, and the frame says 88RC 35927. the cab is recessed, and the battery tray is on the passenger side...opposite of the 49 F6 in my previous post.

 

Havi,

With regards to your F6, looks to me like someone dropped in the flathead V8 after the fact. the battery tray is from a 6 cylinder (on the driver's side). No matter but would be interesting to see how much you could find out about the enigne swap. At least they kept a flattie in there.

Now to your F1. Looks like you have a Franken-truck. The frame was from a 6-cylinder truck and the cab was from an 8-cyl truck. The battery tray in your F1 is the correct arrangement for an 8-cyl. Curious whihc number you will use to title it. Per the original shop manual, the cab was considered to be a replacable item if that helps you make the decision.