Cajun,

Here's what I think it is: XXEG27J568

XX = Never sen this before. In many instances, this is where the Color code was stamped. Initially numbers were used for this purpose but later (late 1949/beginning of 1950), most plants began using letters for the color code. One exception to this was the Richmond, CA plant which appears to have continued using numbers to designate the color through the end of the 1950 modle year. Anyhow, XX could have been an indication that it received some sort of special paint treatment. Not sure but will file this one away as a data point.

EG = Edgewater, NJ assembly plant

27J = Septemeber 27, 1949 build date. It's also possbile that it indicates a September 7, 1949 buid date and your color code was 2. If this were the case, your truck would have originally been Vermillion Red. Based on other Edgewater firewall stampingss I've managed to collect however, I suspect that the 9/27/49 build date is correct and the XX indicates a special paint scheme. As stated above, this is very interesting because I had not seen this before until now.

568 = the mystery numbers. Believed to be some sort of plant specific sequence #.

Any chance you might know what color the van was originally??

Hope you decide to keep it.

Thanks,

Carl G.

 

I checked and your "guess" was correct. There is an irregular homemade metal plate attached with 2 screws on top of the transmission cover. Apparently the original floor shift was replaced with the column shift sometime in the truck's life. I took a cursory look at the rear end but was unable to locate any type of tag. However lots of gunk that I need to clean off. Any hint as to where on the rear end (top, bottom, front, back, etc.) I will find the tag? As to the engine, both heads are stamped 8BA (Ford). The intake manifold aft of the carburetor and forward of the fuel pump is stamped 8BA 8RT / 6520 (possibly / 8520). The stamped block number is "S19R". Thanks again for your assistance!

 

The tag on the rear end should be fastened under one of the back cover plate bolts. Mine is located on one side, sorta tucked in parallel with the edge of the cover plate.

The engine sounds normal for a truck. The blocks are all the same. The only things that made it a truck engine were bolt on accessories such as water pumps, crank pulley for wide belts, bell housing, exhaust manifolds, oil filter location, etc. The same intake manifold was used for both, thus the 8BA/8RT 6520 part number. Besides the 8BA on the heads, no other cast numbers mean anything today.
Tim

 

Tim any thoguhts on Cajun's XX firewall stamping?

Also, Cajun, I think you are in the same boat as olepoint with your column shift. Unless column shifts were provided on Panel trucks in 49, I think yours may also be something that was swapped in during the life of the truck. I know the column shift did not show up in the p/u's until late 50. I'm not aware of the column shift being offfered as a Panel truck only option prior to that. I'd be interested to know if your truck has the hole in the tranny cover for the floor shift. Also, which engine do you have in your panel? The original 6-cylinder FH or did someone drop in a Flathead V8?

 

I agree with your take on the XX. I've never seen that one before.

 

Carl
You'll think I'm off my meds or just a dumb a--; My 49 Ford Panel Delivery Truck shifter is on the floor not on the column. I was thinking about a 46 car I have out back.

Thanks for the info
Great site
Cajun1020
willabshire@yahoo.com

 

Carl
My 49 Panel Deliver has the flat head 6. It is green in color. The guy I got it from said that he repainted it the original color.

Cajun 1020

 

Hey,

Just joined and wanted to say hello. I have a 54 that is currently undergoing a complete re-work (new chassis, suspension, brakes, motor, transmission, rear-end, and interior). My Vin # is,

F10 = F100 - 1/2 ton
V = 239ci 8 Cyl 2BC Carbeurator 55
4 = 1954
R = Richmond, VA assembly plant
20597

I had never been able to decode the Vin# until I found this site, it is great and I look forward to meeting some of you guys.

Ron

 

Welcome to FTE. One item to point out from your posting above. If your truck was built in Richmond, it was built in Richmond, CA not VA. Ford shut the plant in Richmond, California down sometime in the mid fifties and the city is still trying to figure out what to do with the property. Ford's assembly plant in Virginia was in Norfolk and unfortunately that plant is slated for closure sometime in the next year or so. Could have been a typo since the C and V are right next to each other on the keyboard but I wanted to clarify for you. Again, welcome to FTE.

BTW - where are you in FL??

 

Texan2004,

Thanks for the welcome. On the Vin# I went off the Blue Oval Truck identification information, which said Virginia. Not a big thing, but interesting.

I live in the Fort Lauderdale area.

Ron

 

Beautiful Place. My wife and I had a couple of Airtran tickets to use or lose about a year and a half ago and decided to use them to visit Fort Lauderdale. Had a blast. We really liked the area.

As far as the Richmond thing goes, it's the second time I've come across this in the past couple of weeks. Do a quick Yahoo search on Ford Richmond Assembly plant and you should be able to pull up some information on the plant and some plans the city of Richmond had for converting it to a big shopping area with restaraunts, etc.

 

I don't know if you're still doing this and if the 1948 numbers are needed but here goes anyway.
The # stamped on the firewall is 2C227, the engine #87HY58316, Cycls is 6, MO. is 55,Body type is F1PU0648, class is AK, Type veh. 32P, MP is G, year sold is 48, Ax is 2, WC is C, Unladed Wt. is 03250. The last year it was registered was 1967 and it cost $19.00. This is a commercial registration and at the top is date issued 07/27/67, followed with Type-31 and license # A71774. I don't know why the type number in the section for Owner registration is 32 and the number for type up at the top in the current year registration section is 31? I do know that all of the numbers are the original and haven't been tampered with because I bought it from the original owner in 1963 and that makes me the second owner. The first owner lives about 3 miles from me and when I bought it in '63 I only lived about 1 1/2 miles from him. It was used on his ranch, which was only about 75 or 80 acres and had 73,400 or so miles on it when my son was going to do frame off rebuild. That was in the early '80's and it sat apart in my shop until 2 years ago when I started to redo it.
Jim

 

Jim,

We're still doing it and sure, we'll take 48 numbers as well. this thing has morphed into a bit more than it was originally inteded to be. Let me see what I can do here. It's nice to be able to communicate with somebody who has such a long connection to their truck. You may be able to tell many of why some folks did the things they did to thse trucks back in the day.

VIN # 87HY58316.
8 = 1948
7H = 226 c.i.d. flathead 6 cyl. engine
Y = F3 Heavy Duty 3/4 ton truck 122" Wheelbase
58316 = VIN Sequence #. Of the 89 48 VIN #'s I've collected so far, yours is #19 so I'd say it was built sometime first quarter of 1948.

Firewall Stamping
These are far less common on 48's than they ar on 49's and 50's. Interesting to know yours has one. In fact, your is the earliest example of a cab with a firewall stamping that I have.

2C227

2C = March 2, 1948 build date I believe. Would not seem ureasonable given the VIN sequence # of the truck.
227 = Some sort of plant specific sequence #. We've not yet been able to figure these out.

The firewall stamping ususally has a few more characters. Sometimes they are difficult to read and are not readily apparent. Because yours is such an early of a cab with a firewall stampig, this may well be all they stamped in. Who knows??

Other information:
Was this stamped or painted onto the firewall? Was it on the vehicel reistration? Was it found oon a VIN tag? Curious, I've not seen it provided this way before.

MO. = 55
(Dunno)
Body type is F1PU0648
Perhaps F1 Pick-up June 1948. Problem is that your truck VIN # prefix would indicate your truck is an F3. We have more than one example where the truck size was mistamped or mis-applied. Usually a heavy truck prefix assigned to an F1.

What model is your truck? F1 or F3?

class is AK
Dunno

Type veh. 32P
Dunno

MP is G
Could be a paint code but I don't have a color assigned to G. Not sure.

Year sold is 48
Originally sold in 1948

Ax is 2
2 axles

WC is C
Weight Class = C??

Unladed Wt. is 03250

 

I don't know what's going on with this internet but this is the third e-mail I've written and I don't know if this one is going to get through. Each one gets shorter and shorter but anyway it is an F1 and had a 4 speed transmission which may explain the F3 number. It had shocks front and rear with a small box and single wheels. The 2c number on the firewall was stamped about even with the center edge of the steering wheel, just below the seam between the firewall and the cowl. I added an attachment of the Registration but I'm not sure it's going to make it.

Jim

 

Hi I checked my 1950 m-68 which is all original as my father bought it new in 1950 in calgary ,Alberta Canada .It had two tags on firewall .One on the left looking from the front had Style Body # GBE50-484 16370 The other on the middle of firewall had. Engine OJ-3140 Trim 16 Paint 22
Ser# PF-83H50-24182 Model PF 83. I don't know if this will help you by anyway.Hope so!
Glenn