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Upon further inspection it does look like the 4 is an H. Thaks for the help.



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Welcome to FTE and thanks for participating. Breakdown is as follows:

98RC 229681

9 = 1949/50 Model Years
8R = 239 c.i.d. flathead V8
C = F1, 1/2 ton

229681 = VIN sequence #. From the looks of the #, It's pretty safe to say you have a 49. Ford did not change the VIN # codes between 1949 and 1950 and did not reset the VIN numbers from 1948-1950. Because 48's always had an 88RC or 87HC prefix, it's prety easy to tell what traucks are 48's. The used 98RC and 97HC for the 1949 and 1950.

Stamping:
P7 = Paint Code, 7=Meadow Green
NR = Norfolk, VA assembly plant

1642888 - Any chance that one of the first three digits in this string is actually a letter. The first two or three characters would ususally indicate the build date for the truck but the month is generally identified with a letter. They went from A-M for Jan. - Dec. skipping the use of the letter "I" to avoid confusion I suspect. I would focus on the digit "4". Any chance it could be an "H" or a "K"?

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Cool - looks like your truck was born 8/16/1949.
 
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Carl, have you happened across the vin decoder Ken is trying to get up and running down in the Site Announcement forum?

I tried my 48 vin and it read it correctly, but I tossed in a 49, 50 and what I suspect to be a pre-9/15/51 vin and they all came back 49's.

I sent a pm as requested but haven't heard back from them. Check it out.......

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/5...n-decoder.html
 
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Tim,

Thanks for the h4eads up. I ran my trucks through it and sent a note commenting on the 49/50 isue as well. Hopefully they will seek out our input.
 
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i have a 1950 f-3 vin# 97HY299204 HP raised panel #4 yes 4 speed on the floor on the cowl passenger side it has paint 207 whats this mean? every thing is org it was my grandpas
 
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Abner,

Welcome to FTE and thank you for participating in this thread. I'll break things down as best I can then ask you to look for another number in the engine bay.

VIN #97HY 299204 HP

9 = 1949/50 - Ford used a 9 in this spot for both 1949 and 1950 model years. This is what got this thread started some time ago. We wanted to figure out what the VIN # cut-off for 1949 vs. 1950. It looks like as though it probably depends on a number of factors from what we've been able to discern thus far. I'd be willing to bet yours is a 1950. More on that later.

7H = 226 cid 6-cyl flathead engine
Y = F3 - 3/4 ton heavy duty - GVW = 6800# - 122" wheelbase
299204 = VIN sequence #. This # is high enough that I can say with relative certainty that it is a 1950. The latest 1949's we've come across are in the upper 270,000 to lower 280,000 range.
HP = Highland Park, MI assembly plant

Paint 207 = I have no idea. I haven't seen this before. Was this stenciled in paint or was it stamped into the sheetmetal? The paint codes we've come across are usally a one or two digit number, or a single letter. The one exception to this is the Norfolk, VA assembly plant which always put the letter "P" in front of the paint code. Ford started out using #'s for the paint code but went to the letters sometime in late 1949 or early 1950. I'd be very interested to know what color your truck was orignally assuming you know. There were a couple of shades of green so if you need some help figuring out which one, please let me know. The other colors are pretty straight forward. It's possible yours has some special color, hence the "Paint 207" on the cowl.

A couple more comments/pieces of information for you and then I will re-ask the questions from above and ask a couple more.

The VIN # for these trucks can be found in three locations. A VIN plate on the inside of the glove box door, a VIN plate on the firewall in the engine compartment on the passenger side of the vehicle, and stamped into the top flange of the frame rail in the engine compartment. In almost every case, the frame stamp is on the passenger side frame rail but others have reported finding it on the driver's side. There is no standard location for the frame rail stamping of the VIN # but most seem to find it somewhere close to the motor mount.

As you can see from the information I was able to provide above, the VIN plates don't really tell you very much. However, there may be more information to be had. In addition to the VIN plate, the plants began stamping a set of series of numbers and letters into the firewall sometime in late 1948 or early 1949 depending on the assembly plant. Some plants were very good about this. Others, not so good. I personally own a 1950 cab built in Highland Park with a higher VIN # than yours and it does not have any firewall stamping that I've been able to locate thus far. If you can find this number, we may be able to determine what the original paint color was intended to be or was, and the date your truck was built.

The firewall stamping can be large characters or characters that are pretty small. It can be located on the driver's side or the passenger side of the vehicle. It can also be located smack dab in the middle. It's usally a series of numbers in a single line but I've also seen them provided in two lines. They can be above the cowl to firewwall seam or below it. Basically, it can be anywhere on the front of the cab assembly inside the enigine compartment.

Getting that firewall stamping would be great information for us. Of the half dozen or so trucks that I have information on and know to have been built at Highland Park, I only have one firewall stamping from this plant. Getting a second one would be great.

One more thing about these firewall stampings. They weren't always very concerned with pounding these numbers/letters in real deep. 8's can look like 6's or B's or 3's, A's can look like 4's, etc. And becasue they weren't always stamped in real deep, they can be very difficult to locate, or read if they are located.

Questions:

1 - Do you know what color your truck was originally? If so what color?
2 - Was the "Paint 207" stenciled in with paint or was it stamped into the cowl on the passenger side?
3 - Could you/would you look to see if you can locate a series of numbers stamped into the firewall or cowl in the engine compartment?
4 - Did your grandfather buy it new or did he acquire it later as a used vehicle. If he bought it used, do you have any idea when he may have purchased it?

The one example of a Highland Park firewall stamping that we do have is as follows:
C HP 2C 1200
This translates into color = C (Unknown color code), HP = Highland Park , 2C = March 2, 1950 build date. This truck is a 1950 with VIN sequence #265771.

Trucks like yours are particaluarly good to get information on since they've been in the family for a long while and a good deal of the history is known on the truck. This contrasts wtih my trucks which are usually dilapidated and found rotting in the woods with the last known driver of the vehicle having died 20+ years ago.

Off topic questons:
1 - Does your truck run and is it driveable?
2 - What sort of plans do you have for it?
3 - Is the original 6 cyliner still with the truck or was it replaced with something else?

Lastly, and most important, WELCOME TO FTE. This is by far the best place I've found anywhere for information on these trucks. The 48-60 forum is without a doubt the best and friendliest forum I've come across on FTE and I'd be hard pressed to find a better one anyhwere on the web. I've had the good fortune to meet in person a few folks that I first came across through this forum and everyone of them have been great people. I even got to meet Boyd Cottington and his wife through a fellow FTE member.

Again, thank you for participating in this thread and I hope you enjoy the forum.

Carl G. - Texan2004 - Pearland, TX
 

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thanks for the info what a great site the color is some kind of green or it might be green meadow i have seen other pics hard to tell it was stamped in paint with maybe a small c then below this the#207 i have been looking for the other#s no luck yet.It was bought brand new used on the farm by my grandpa and dad all the main parts are org. We just got it running yesterday it sit in barn for 33 years.afew new parts and fired right up well we did pull it the first time.we are going to restore it the org engine dad said never done anything to it.
 
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Old 12-31-2006, 11:53 AM
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If it's green it could be Meadow Green which is a darker green or it could be Palisades Green which is something more akin to a Pea Green.

I think it's great that you are getting to redo one that your family has owned since new. Sat for 33 years and you got it running. Spectacular. That must have been a real rush when you got her lit off. Glad to hear it's been in a barn all these years. Hopefully it saved the truck truck for you. Good luck with it and let us know how it goes. Nobody seems to get tired of stories like yours, including me. It's always great to hear about another one being brought back to life.
 
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i went to Earls site and found auto color library it had another color called Sea Island green i still wonder if that stamping of 207 is something?
 
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Sea Island Green was not available in 1950. The Pallisades Green is very similar to the Sea Island Green, however.
 
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1949 F-1 VIN Information

I have a Bonus-Built F-1 titled as a 1949. The VIN on the firewall plate is 98RC194621 and the "branch" is marked RIC. The stamping directly into the firewall reads 2RH24F6253. It has been repainted, but the original color (as well as the repaint) is red. It has the embossed "arc" outlining the rear fenders inside the box, and originally had a sheet metal floor over the wood bed. However the gearshift lever for the 3 speed transmission is mounted on the steering column. The reference sources all state that the "3 on the tree" did not come along until the 1950 model year.

As best that I can read the VIN, it represents a 1949 (or 1950) V-8, manufactured at the Richmond (California?) plant, and the sequence of production is 194,621.

The identification plate on the glovebox door reads
Identification tag on glove box door: Engine Serial Number: 98RC-194621 - GVW: 4,700 - Model: 9RC

The engine (which I believe to be original) is stamped 8BA rather that "RT". The wheels are the same color as the body.

The column mounted shift throws me a bit. In your experience, is all of this consistent with a 1949 and NOT a 1950, relative to the "3 on the tree"? Thanks!
 
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Olelepoint,

Welcome to FTE and thank you for providing your information.

98RC194621

9 = 1949 or 1950 (Safe bet yours is a 1949 based on the VIN sequence #)
8R = 239 cid flathead V8
C = 1/2 ton

Firewall Stamping: 2RH24F6253

2 = Color Code (Vermillion Red)
RH = Richmond, CA assembly plant (Ford did not have an assembly plant in Richmond, VA. The only assembly plant in Virginia was located in Norfolk. I actually grew up about 1/2 way between Norfolk and Richmond, VA in Newport News, VA)
24F = June 24, 1949 Build Date
6253 = Some sort of sequence # we have not been able to figure out. Believed to be plant specific.

I think the embossed arc outlining the rear fenders in the bed is the stamped or raised panel we are talking about. This type of bed also had the rounded stake pockets. The later F1 beds had flat sides and square stake pockets. Sounds like yours is a 48-50 bed. The flat sided beds did begin to show up in some late 1950 F1's. Interestingly, the F2's and F3's with the larger 8 ft. long beds kept the raised panel style bed sides until I believe 1953.

Your steering column is interesting. 1951 was the first full year for the column shift 3-speed but they actually did show up in some late 1950 F1's. We suspect that some plants may have run out the floor shift trannys and Ford ordered the column shift tranny's at the end of the 1950 model year to ensure they weren't putting floor shift "light" 3-speeds in any of the 51's. Another theory is that they may have been used by some plants beginning in late 1950 to work out the production line bugs for the other plants that would begin installing them in the 1951 trucks. In the case of your truck, my guess would be that someobody at some point broke the orignal transmission and a column shift tranny may have been available out of a wreck, and they grabbed the steering column so they could use it. 58 years is a long time and things likely got modified or replaced with what was available. I'd be curious to know if your tranny cover has a hole in it for the floor shift 3-speed. I'd say it's a safe bet the column shift tranny was something that was done by a previous owner.

Regarding your engine, I wouldn't fuss too much about the 8BA vs. 8RT. My original understanding was that the 8RT was the truck engine and the 8BA engine came in the cars. I've seen far more 8BA engines in these trucks than I have 8RT engines. The only real difference I am aware of is that the heads are different and the 8BA heads are actually a little better in that they offer slightly higher compression. Since I have yet to rebuild a flathead V8 and don't have one running in a truck yet, I really lack the expertise to comment much further except to say that your engine is probably original. If not original, it may be a replacement engine. Ford had an engine replacement program whereby they would replace your engine with a rebuilt for some ridiculous sounding sum of money ($125 - $150) and many folks took advantage of this. The engines weren't really expected to last more than 50,000 miles before moderately signifcant internal enigne work was required.

If you are interested in your rear end gear ratio, it was given on a tag bolted to the rear end much like what is still done today. The only thing indicated on mine was 41/11. This happens to equal 3.73 and counting the revolutions of the pinion to the wheel seems to confirm this. I believe it is the # of ring gear teeth and the # of pinion gear teeth. Divide it and you get your rear end gear ratio. Surpisingly, this tag has still been attached to every rear end I have come across out of one of these trucks.

Again, thanks for your input and I'd be interested to know if your tranny cover plate has the hole for the floor shifter.
 

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1949 Panel

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VIN 97HC 245683
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Standard Trans
Column

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Cajun,

Welcome to FTE. It's a great site. I see you are in Lake Chuck. There is a fellow FTE'er there name Matt Boudreaux (F6Guy). He has a 51 F6 and is a super nice guy. hope you get a chance to meet him.

97HC245683

9 = 1949/50
7H = 226 cid flathead 6
C = 1/2 ton
245683 = Vin sequence #. Suggests that yours is most likely a later 1949.

When you get a chance, can you take a look at the firewall in the enigne compartment of your truck to see if you can find a series of numbers stamped into the firewall. We may be able to get you the build date, original color and assembly plant for your truck. I would be particularly interested in knowing the build date and assembly plant for your truck because it is so close to the transistion from 1949 to 1950.

Am I correct in reading that your truck is a column shift?
Also, Is your truck a Panel truck or a pick-up?

Any history on the truck you care to share? Is it a runner?

Thanks,

Carl G. - Pearland, TX
 

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1949 Ford Panel Delivery

Carl G

Thanks for the VIN info on my 1949 Ford
I checked for the numbers stamped on my firewall, they are XXEG27J568; my vehicle is a Panel Delivery and shifter is on the column.
I had a 1942 Ford Deluxe 4 door, black and white police car, with light and siren for the past ten years; ; however, as with toys, I got tired of it and sold it a couple of weeks ago.
I obtained this vehicle about six months ago. I went to New Hampshire to meet the previous owner and get the paperwork straightened out. He told me that he had it for more than ten years and it was a local New Hampshire vehicle, but he traded it for race car and had lost track of it. He completely rebuild the engine, transmission and rear end in 1995.
I have not decided whether to street rod this one, or sell it and get another fat fendered car.
Again, thank you for the info
Cajun1020
 


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