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Originally Posted by BMalloy View Post
Below is the information on our 1950 (which we now realize may be a 1949?) F1.


  • Registered as a 1950
  • VIN - 97HC264096
  • Raised panel bed
  • Original bed
  • 3 speed on floor
  • Firewall # 40S29M841
Can anyone help decipher the above information? If in fact our truck is a 1949 and not a 1950 as registered, does anyone have any experience with getting that changed?


Thanks in advance.
The firewall code tells most of what you want to know.
4 - color was gray
OS is probably CS, for the Chester PA assembly plant
29M was assembly date of 29 Dec.
841 is the vehicle down the line

It is technically a 49, but it couldn't have made it to a dealer until January1950. Even trucks built much earlier were titled in the next calendar year - when they sold at the dealership. So I wouldn't sweat it and just keep calling it a '50 as it has been. Enjoy the truck and thanks for playing along!
 
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Old 02-01-2015, 08:37 PM
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hi guys. havn't been on for a hile but all of that might change since we just got from picking up a new f1 project truck

the previous owner tells me its a 1950 and has a good backstory knowing the original owner.

after reading through these posts i am now quesioning the year

could someone who knows please let me know if its a 50

thanks in advance
  • VIN - 98RC 264218 HP
  • Raised panel bed
  • Original steel floor in bed
  • 3 speed on floor
  • Firewall # only could make out 17J243
  • color original red
  • rear diff has rear cover
  • small rear window
 
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Originally Posted by stangetr View Post
hi guys. havn't been on for a hile but all of that might change since we just got from picking up a new f1 project truck

the previous owner tells me its a 1950 and has a good backstory knowing the original owner.

after reading through these posts i am now quesioning the year

could someone who knows please let me know if its a 50

thanks in advance
  • VIN - 98RC 264218 HP
  • Raised panel bed
  • Original steel floor in bed
  • 3 speed on floor
  • Firewall # only could make out 17J243
  • color original red
  • rear diff has rear cover
  • small rear window
Well, the 264218 would indicate a 1949. The 17J would indicate September 17 build date and that late in 1950 would surely have been a much higher number. I'm assuming that you are using the number off the patent plate on the firewall, are you sure about the HP? There was no plant code HP, there was a Highland Park assembly plant in Michigan, but the code there was HM, the only one similar was Memphis which was MP
 
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Old 02-02-2015, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by stangetr View Post
hi guys. havn't been on for a hile but all of that might change since we just got from picking up a new f1 project truck

the previous owner tells me its a 1950 and has a good backstory knowing the original owner.

after reading through these posts i am now quesioning the year

could someone who knows please let me know if its a 50

thanks in advance
  • VIN - 98RC 264218 HP
  • Raised panel bed
  • Original steel floor in bed
  • 3 speed on floor
  • Firewall # only could make out 17J243
  • color original red
  • rear diff has rear cover
  • small rear window
It's entirely possible that a truck built mid-Sept could sit on a dealer's lot for a couple of months. Some localities titled in the calendar year of purchase, not manufacture. If your title is clear and lists it as a 50, you're safe calling it a 50. Nothing of any consequence changed during those two model years anyway.
I've cataloged over 900 trucks and have 21 with HP stampings so Highland Park MI seems to be normal. If your truck was red the rest of your firewall stamping would read 2HP17J243 or EHP17J243. HP looks like one of the earlier plants to switch to a letter for color code.
 
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Originally Posted by mtflat View Post
It's entirely possible that a truck built mid-Sept could sit on a dealer's lot for a couple of months. Some localities titled in the calendar year of purchase, not manufacture. If your title is clear and lists it as a 50, you're safe calling it a 50. Nothing of any consequence changed during those two model years anyway.
I've cataloged over 900 trucks and have 21 with HP stampings so Highland Park MI seems to be normal. If your truck was red the rest of your firewall stamping would read 2HP17J243 or EHP17J243. HP looks like one of the earlier plants to switch to a letter for color code.
Tim is probably correct about the HP, I originally thought it was Highland Park, but the only documentation I could find from Ford was from the parts book that shows that they used HM for 51/52 model years in the serial numbers. But they may have changed that designation when they changed the serial number system after 1950.
 
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so here is the thing, we donít have a title, Iíll need totell the DMV what year.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
So what should i choose and what would be the reasoning/ benefitif any at all?

also i looked on the frame and can not seem to locate the s/n

we looked on the drivers side frame top from the firewall to the frame horn and nothing, is it some where else?

thanks

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Originally Posted by stangetr View Post
so here is the thing, we donít have a title, Iíll need totell the DMV what year.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
So what should i choose and what would be the reasoning/ benefitif any at all?

also i looked on the frame and can not seem to locate the s/n

we looked on the drivers side frame top from the firewall to the frame horn and nothing, is it some where else?

thanks

Steve
Welcome to FTE!

Steve, your serial number should be on the top of the passengers side frame
near the motor mount. They are not punched too deeply, so be careful removing any grime.

Here's where mine is located.


 
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thanks i'll check it our later, i figured it would have been on the driverside like our 47
thanks for the photo
 
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49 F5 Vin

Ser# 098RT154497 on the firewall tag.
Flathead V8
4 speed on floor non synchro.
Original color is black.
Frame only in the back
Non Deluxe package
Titled as a 49 1.5 ton
 
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BD, your F5 is a very early '49
'48 went thru serial no 139262 for V8s, 166979 for 6s (according to oldfordtruckclub)
'49s picked up at those numbers

stangetr, if you're working to get a title I'd call your truck a '49
The vin appears 3 places: top of the frame rail as indicated above, the data plate on the firewall near the starter solenoid, and on the rating plate fastened to the glovebox door. It should have the same number all three places. The frame number is the only legal one for police inspection. All states differ in the process to get a title.

My info on vins is good only on 48-50s. Before and after that narrow window I only know bits and pieces. 51/52 could very well use HM in place of HP.
 
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51/52 could very well use HM in place of HP.
The Parts Catalog agrees with that.

 
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Thanks for the info. I have a clean North Dakota title and am going to transfer it to a MI title shortly.
 
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Last one ever made or still in existance?

1) 1950 F1
2) 98RC 508032 CH
3) flat bed sides and front, script tailgate
4) no clue
5) no clue
6) column shift
7) C4314L76B ?

I want to know if I have the very last 48-50 model still in existance.
 
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I don't think you'll ever be able to know that for sure. There's too many undocumented trucks still in existence, and way too many that we could never account for on this forum. But mid-November is pretty late in production, so you have at the very least, one of the last ones built for 1950. Keep in mind, though, that there were a dozen plants cranking these out, and in 6 weeks there were thousands more built after yours.
 
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I have 2 later than yours:

One 508xxx in MN, the other 510xxx in TX

But you're close and you do have the latest firewall stamping - thanks for sharing. It helps to figure out where the 50/51 split took place.
 

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