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1948-1960: 1949/1950 VIN # Cut off

 
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1948 f1

Just recently purchased a f1. I have been researching it and stumbled upon this post. Very informative! We were told the truck was a 49. Then I found the serial number tag on the firewall and found out it was actually a 48. So here are my numbers for your list.

The vin/serial plate from the firewall says 87HC 147783. Branch is CS.
The stampings on the top frame rail matches this plate. The glove box plate is missing. The stampings on the center of the cowl on the firewall are in very good shape and very easy to see and read. They are as follows, 10CS22J257. I know CS is the Chester, PA plant, and that Tallulah was born on Sept 22, 1948. The 10 must be a gray color because that is what is behind the gas tank and some of the harder to reach nooks and crannies.
 
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Originally Posted by Tallulah48 View Post
Just recently purchased a f1. I have been researching it and stumbled upon this post. Very informative! We were told the truck was a 49. Then I found the serial number tag on the firewall and found out it was actually a 48. So here are my numbers for your list.

The vin/serial plate from the firewall says 87HC 147783. Branch is CS.
The stampings on the top frame rail matches this plate. The glove box plate is missing. The stampings on the center of the cowl on the firewall are in very good shape and very easy to see and read. They are as follows, 10CS22J257. I know CS is the Chester, PA plant, and that Tallulah was born on Sept 22, 1948. The 10 must be a gray color because that is what is behind the gas tank and some of the harder to reach nooks and crannies.
Regardless of the data plate on the firewall, the only serial# that matters is the one stamped in the frame rail, passenger side between the radiator and the motor mount. Please tell us that number matches the title.
 
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Old 05-25-2014, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by harleymsn View Post
Regardless of the data plate on the firewall, the only serial# that matters is the one stamped in the frame rail, passenger side between the radiator and the motor mount. Please tell us that number matches the title.
They match. There is no title as of right now. Gonna start that process next week.
 
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Thanks for the data. 10 was the code for gray, and the early F series only had 5 colors. It sounds like you have it all sorted out - congrats on the "new" truck.

It's possible the original owners believed it was a '49 and the old title may even have said that. Some states titled in the year purchased regardless of when the truck was produced. Your truck is a very late '48 and may not have made it thru the system until sometime in early '49.
 
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Originally Posted by texan2004 View Post
As suggested by George, the purpose of this thread is to try and determine what the VIN sequence # cut off is between the 1949 and 1950 Ford Trucks. It would also be a good opportunity to try and identify the VIN # cut-off for other little 1950 oddities like the raised panel bed being converted to a flat panel bed and the floor shift three speed versus column shift three speed.

Best way to do this is probably to ask for the following information:

1 - Year truck is registered as (or believed to be)
2 - VIN # (The whole thing including the 98RC, 98RD, etc.)
3 - Bed - Raised Panel or flat panel
4 - Is this the original bed
5 - Transmission
6 - Column shift or floor shift
7 - # stamped into the firewall if you have one.

?'s 3-6 may not be relavent if the truck has had major mods but if you know anything about what was there it would be helpful. I'll be sure to keep results updated. I need to figure out how to set up a link to the spreadsheet or data base I use.

Participation is obviously voluntary but would be greatly appreciated. Any other information on the truck you may want to provide would also be welcomed.

Sugggestions for other information to collect are also being welcomed.

Thanks,

Carl Gustafson - a.k.a Texan 2004
any info on a couple of trucks I have to work with would be great back ground info for me

1 1948 registered
2 vin 97hc164691
3 bed raised-here is the other ? but the back of cab is flat pic to follow
4 original bed
5 4 sp tranny
6 floor shift
7 fire wall #7rhImI35
is this the norm for a 48-49 cab flat?






here is my other truck cab from and f-4 any info is helpful

1 1949
2 98rt-I86229
3 no bed
4 na
5 4sp
6 floor
7 7rh2eI40
pic of cab back why is there a difference

 
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That's great info, schoo. The early trucks had a flat back panel and changed somewhere along the line to add the ribs, which probably added stability and noise control. Your first truck, titled 48 is stamped 49 with the 97HC prefix, built December 1, 1948. Your other truck is a 49 built May 2, 1949. Both trucks being built in Richmond, CA, this gives us great info that the ribbed panels at that factory began as a running change sometime between December 1, 1948 and May 2, 1949, and between unit numbers 164691 and 186229. The more people that add to the database, the closer we can narrow these things down. Thanks for sharing.
 
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In addition to Wayne's info, both trucks were originally meadow green. (Color code 7)

Richmond CA must have started on the new vin series for 49 ahead of other plants. Two other trucks with earlier '49 vins have production dates of mid February.

The F4 vin was typical for 48/49 trucks with the 98RT prefix. F4 six cylinder truck vins were 97HTL during those years. V8's didn't change to 98RTL until sometime mid to late 50.
 
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info on my F-3

1 1950
2 98RY338151
3 Grain Bed Giant Mfg. Co. Council Bluff Iowa (farmer built dump)
4 I suspect it was delivered new without a bed
5 4 speed spur transmission
6 floor shift
7 4SP16B102201128 (I guessed at some of these, not stamped well.
It came from north central Iowa.

original color is green, heater knockouts look not factory knocked out.
Heater has a round Magic Air 4 inch emblem. Some youth are surprised and think it is an air conditioner.
 
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Thanks for posting.
V8 heavy 3/4 ton truck - many were sold as cab and chassis and later fitted by dealer or bed mfgr.

Well within the 1950 model year, built February 16 in Saint Paul, MN

Color? Chester and KC were using 4 for Meadow Green, other plants apparently used other codes. I didn't have any notes on SP colors so this helps put more pieces of the puzzle together.
 
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Old 07-10-2014, 04:30 PM
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Hey all. New guy. I promise Ill start an intro thread later with some pics and story. Cliff notes are. I have a Black 49 F1 V8 restored by my Grandfather in the mid 80's. he promised me the truck when I was a kid and last year he followed through and tossed me the keys and title. I have been cleaning it up and what not and now curious to its roots. what I do know is this
1 - 1949
2 - 98RC 233356 KC
3 - Raised Panel
4 - pretty certain restored original bed
5 - 3 speed
6 - floor shift
7 - 7 KC26H 111

Ill also check the frame and glove box. Does have passenger wiper and visor. no radio.

Thanks
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Hey all. New guy. I promise Ill start an intro thread later with some pics and story. Cliff notes are. I have a Black 49 F1 V8 restored by my Grandfather in the mid 80's. he promised me the truck when I was a kid and last year he followed through and tossed me the keys and title. I have been cleaning it up and what not and now curious to its roots. what I do know is this
1 - 1949
2 - 98RC 233356 KC
3 - Raised Panel
4 - pretty certain restored original bed
5 - 3 speed
6 - floor shift
7 - 7 KC26H 111

Ill also check the frame and glove box. Does have passenger wiper and visor. no radio.

Thanks
Mike
Congrats on your "new" truck. A family heirloom is always very cool. You probably already know most of what the numbers will tell you. It's a 49 F1 V8 truck, built in Kansas City on August 26, 1949. We'll look forward to your new thread with the pics.
 
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Wayne only missed the original color of Meadow Green

I'd be interested to know if your floor shift 3 spd is LD or HD. If you can find a case number, look for T-87D.
 
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Thanks! Its funny that it was green originally. My first f150 I bought was a green '97 built in Kansas city. Funny how things work isn't it.

Mike
 
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Hello all,

I am a new member and thought I would post the stats for my 1950 F1.

Registered as a1950
Vin # 98RC 366812 CH on patent plate, frame rail and title
Bed is a raised panel
Bed is original
Transmission is a 3 speed not sure which one
Shift is on the floor
# on firewall is 5CH 9E 270 J

I know what most of this means but do not know what Chicago's paint code
5 is. Could someone help me out on that? Also what color did Chicago paint
the motors in 1950? Would also like to know what the J is but looks like that info has been lost?
Working on a complete restoration.

Thanks
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5 was the code for sheridan blue according to my notes.

270 J was inhouse coding unique to each plant for that vehicle down the assembly line.
 

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