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Originally Posted by bluestang65 View Post
Hey guys, I'm working with a 49/50 truck. It's titled as a 50.
VIN on firewall 98RD359315 KC
Firewall 4KC2C3280
Glove Box door VIN followed by WBD

I'm interested in where it was built and is it for sure a 50 model? As KC keeps popping up it would lead me to believe it was built in Kansas City, but I didn't think that plant was open in 1950. Anyone have any insight?
Hi bluestang65,
Based on your serial number you have a 1950 F2 assembled in Kansas City. As I posted for Robin the 49/50 split is between 280,000 and 300,000 units.

Firewall: 4 color code (what was your truck originally?) KC varied this code
KC - Kansas City was producing trucks in 1948, but I don't know the history of the plant.
2C - assembled March 2, 1950
3280 - vehicle down the line

WBD was model code - I'm looking to find my notes on it, but this will get you going.

edit: It seems model codes for 50 used WB (wheelbase?) D (would be the rating) I've seen WBC for F1, WBD for your F2 and WBTD for my 1 ton. Makes sense to me unless somebody else can shed some light on the subject.
 
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Hi bluestang65,
Based on your serial number you have a 1950 F2 assembled in Kansas City. As I posted for Robin the 49/50 split is between 280,000 and 300,000 units.

Firewall: 4 color code (what was your truck originally?) KC varied this code
KC - Kansas City was producing trucks in 1948, but I don't know the history of the plant.
2C - assembled March 2, 1950
3280 - vehicle down the line

WBD was model code - I'm looking to find my notes on it, but this will get you going.
The truck was originally green. Everything is green including the firewall, dash, inside doors, etc. Dark green. The firewall has the words "8 cyl" in cursive white paint pen and some other markings.

I did some research on the KC plant. Here's what I found. The Claycomo plant which still produces pickups today was opened in 1951 assembling parts for airplanes and other military equipment. For the 1957 model year, it switched to F100 production.
By contrast, the Kansas City plant was/is at 11 & Winchester a few miles south of the current plant. It opened early in the 20th Century as the first plant Ford opened outside Detroit. The building is still in operation today housing a variety of tenants.

I absolutely love automotive history and I love the process of gathering the data and telling the story. It certainly makes it clear why so much of history is lost forever. Without people digging it up, it just fades away.

What else can you tell me from your research about the Kansas City plant?

It shouldn't surprise me, but the factories listed as responsible for producing the 48/50 model pickups on Wikipedia is all wrong. Based on your research, can you tell me were the 48/50 units were made?
 
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Sorry, but I can't tell you anything about the KC assembly plants. Carl, the guy that started this thread lives in Texas and is much better informed about the plants.

I only know from my list of serial number data that I've been collecting that I have a couple of 48 F trucks that were reported as being assembled at KC. There are several more in 49 and the most listed from '50
 
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I've had this truck for about 18 months and have been actively working on it for about 12 months. Sometime back I post the Serial# info here but never got the firewall info. I'll bet I spent 8-10 hours combined scraping, sanding and wetting the firewall trying to find the stampings somewhere in the center where everybody told me it had to be. Finally, I just gave up. Over the past week as we were preparing to paint the engine we sanded down and shot the firewall in a gloss black. that's when my wife says, "hey Joe, what are these letters and numbers over here stamped in the driver's side corner."

Well there it was, finally! Then as I was cleaning up the engine, I finally scraped and sanded the top of the block to find the engines birthday that I could not find before.

So here is the info

Engine date of manuf. H30M

H=July
30= 30th day
M= 1950

The firewall codes MNR9J729

M = Meadow Green (Wish i had found that before the paint job, but still happy with MY color)

NR = Norfolk, Va.

9 - 9th day

J = September

729 = build number
 
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That is cool you were able to find the rest of it. Makes the sense of ownership a little more complete.

I wasn't able to find your earlier post - when did you post that or what is your serial number?

Only thing I noticed was the production date. J was the code for September since Ford didn't use the letter I. (They kept that for the number 1 for some strange reason)
 
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That is cool you were able to find the rest of it. Makes the sense of ownership a little more complete.

I wasn't able to find your earlier post - when did you post that or what is your serial number?

Only thing I noticed was the production date. J was the code for September since Ford didn't use the letter I. (They kept that for the number 1 for some strange reason)
98RT478377

I think I put it on here, about 18 months ago.

Oh, OK, September not October, my bad. I forgot about the no I.

I went back and fixed it. Kinda wonder why they didn't use the same code as they did for the engine dates.
 
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I've wondered about that too. Your's seems to support the build date and the engine assembly dates - about 5 weeks between engine assembly and vehicle assembly. That's moving them along pretty good.
 
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My 50 F1 is a Norfolk truck and the stampings were way over on the drivers side down low like yours. I guess it was a unique thing for that factory. So maybe thats a heads up for those of you who have trucks near the east coast.
 
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Don't know why I never did this before!
My F3 Stamped on firewall: 7 KC 6 K 5
Plate on firewall: 98RY 255835 KC
Glove box plate: 98RY 255835 WBY
It is green, 239 V8, 4 spd on floor, Flat bed

F1 Stamped on firewall: LB 3M 175
Plate on firewall 97HC 166471 LB
Glove box plate not original
Flat 6, 3spd on floor

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Originally Posted by blsd49 View Post
Don't know why I never did this before!
My F3 Stamped on firewall: 7 KC 6 K 5
Plate on firewall: 98RY 255835 KC
Glove box plate: 98RY 255835 WBY
It is green, 239 V8, 4 spd on floor, Flat bed

F1 Stamped on firewall: LB 3M 175
Plate on firewall 97HC 166471 LB
Glove box plate not original
Flat 6, 3spd on floor

Brian
Thanks Brian for including your trucks to the data base.
The F3 stamping says, as you know,
7/ Meadow Green,
KC/ Kansas City,
6K/ 6 October assembly and 1949 serial number 255835 concurs
and vehicle #5 down the line.
Glovebox plate WBY is the model designation.

The F1 is Long Beach assembly plant
3rd Dec, 1948 and is one of the earliest 49's I've seen
vehicle 175 down the line.
You've got the rest.
 
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Old 03-27-2011, 11:18 PM
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mtflat,
WBY is the model designation: do you know what it stands for or means?
My F1 is Birch Gray now but when I bought it in "75 it was red and black but yellow under the hood and behind the seat. It was in pretty rough shape so never really figured what the original color was. There should be a number before the KC, right? ...will look again but don't think so.
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I don't know anything definite on the WBY except the Y corresponds to the F3 Y in the serial #.

There's a better than even chance your F1 was yellow to start with. Right, there should be a number in front of the KC stamp. Some got it and some didn't.

Yellow is the one color I don't have nailed down, but I think the code number was 16. I stand to be corrected.
 
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Hi Robin, welcome! The asterisk in the serial number is just a spacer - doesn't mean anything. Some plants used it, most didn't.

LB is Long Beach as you suspected. You might take a closer look at the cowl and see if there are any faint stampings between the letters. I don't have many LB serial #'s with firewall stampings but the ones I have all follow the standard pattern of: paint code, plant, date and vehicle down the line.

Something like 2 LB 15F N

So there should be a letter or number in front of the LB and another number in front of the F. The N could be part of the line number. If you find more please let me know.

What color was your truck originally?

374020 is definitely a 50 - which is why we started this thread. The split between 49 and 50 is somewhere between 280,000 and 300,000 as near as I can tell. Because of the variations in registration processes I don't know if we can ever come closer.

Have fun around here - Tim
Thanks so much for the information everyone i will be looking for some more info on the truck and see if there are any more #'s or letters and let the thread know.

Thank you again

Robin
 
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mtflat,
Re. F1: why 3rd Dec. 1948 and not 1949?
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Robin, you're welcome.

Blsd49, several factors created some overlap in production details.

At the time Ford was using the calendar year as the "cut-off" for model year on trucks.

Also, assembly plants were given blocks of serial numbers and used them as they produced trucks.

1948/49/50 serial numbers are consecutive (more or less) with only a prefix difference separating 48 and 49 ~ 88RC vs. 98RC There is no prefix distinction between 1949 and 50.

I've seen 48's overlap into the 49 serial numbers based on production codes, and 49's like your's that got a jump start on the calendar year production.

'49 trucks built in early December 49 are in the general serial number range of 275-280,000.
 

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