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Howdy texan 2004,
i just read some of the posts on 49/50 vin cut off and got consumed in it, interesting stuff to say the least. i have been collecting fords for years and have parted out a lot as well. so i will give you the vin's from my trucks/parts trucks from the 48 to 50 years, but first let me mention something,
somewhere - and i just spent about 1/2 an hour looking around where it should be - i have the breakdown for the 49 to 50 vin's, several years back i obtained this info from a local retired ford mechanic that is as bad is me about collecting ford literature and information. off the top of my head i dont remember the numbers, but i do remember this there was a breakdown for the 6 cyl's and also for the 8's. they didnt all breakdown at the same number, i will look some more this afternoon, this sounds like a good place to post this information and share it with everyone that is interested in it. o.k. the vin's that i have are........

1950 F1, 98RC274896 (my first pickup for 33 years and i still have it)
1950 F5, 97HT274981 (notice these are 85 #'s apart)
1950 F6, 98RT191208 (use to be my service truck in the late 70's all i have left is the cab now)
1948 F5, 88RT61112 (parts truck)
I also have 4 spare cabs, i will write the numbers down and post them aswell.
while i was in canada looking for a merc pickup i got this tag off an old 51 or 52 cab, it is MDA83BHP-19437.

I hope this info is useful to you. Jess Soriano
 
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Hello again texan2004,
Hay i just spent another hour looking for that 49/50 vin info i told you about,

WELL HERE IT IS.
now like i mentioned i got this info from what i feel is a reliable source.

Starting numbers for 1950 pickup & truck model's
192251 (6 cyl models), 173088 (V8 models),

I hope this information helps you, Jess
 

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New Vin entry

Resently purchased F-3. The title dated 1993 stated truck as a 1949, but I see on your list two F-3's with earlier numbers as 1950 trucks and one about 3,000 later than mine as 1950.
98RY*392034* LOU (firewall )
98RY-392034 (glovebox)
raised bed sides/ longbed/ heavy lug pattern
8 cylinder
tranny missing
single wiper/visor
battery holder pax side
color - darker green
small window
nothing on firewall stamping. very rusty
Thanks and have a great day,chuck
 

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Chuck, the info Jess gave puts the 49/50 split about where Carl's info is coming out. 50 V8 models started with 173088 and since yours is so much higher I'd say with confidence it is a 50. BUT, since Ford ran the two years together, many DMV's have been confused and title errors abound.

Jess, thanks for sharing the info from the old Ford mech.
 
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Carl, did you happen to see this one on the bay? Interesting firewall stamping - vin is listed as 97H? 170597 ME, but the firewall stamp is 10MP30M207.

Correcting typo's leaves a vin of 97HY 170597 MP, but if the build date was 30 Dec it should have been 1948. Right? Just thot it was a curious one. - Tim

If the link doesn't work, here's the number. 200178692536


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-...spagenameZWDVW
 

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1949 f-4 , vin tag awol . the only thing i can make out on cowl tag is 8rt . vin no. according to title is 98rt142028. 8rt flatty v-8 4speed floor shift . has small grain dump on it .ill get more later when it thaws out . it's a truckcicle right now .
 
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Originally Posted by mrcman58
Howdy texan 2004,
i just read some of the posts on 49/50 vin cut off and got consumed in it, interesting stuff to say the least. i have been collecting fords for years and have parted out a lot as well. so i will give you the vin's from my trucks/parts trucks from the 48 to 50 years, but first let me mention something,
somewhere - and i just spent about 1/2 an hour looking around where it should be - i have the breakdown for the 49 to 50 vin's, several years back i obtained this info from a local retired ford mechanic that is as bad is me about collecting ford literature and information. off the top of my head i dont remember the numbers, but i do remember this there was a breakdown for the 6 cyl's and also for the 8's. they didnt all breakdown at the same number, i will look some more this afternoon, this sounds like a good place to post this information and share it with everyone that is interested in it. o.k. the vin's that i have are........

1950 F1, 98RC274896 (my first pickup for 33 years and i still have it)
1950 F5, 97HT274981 (notice these are 85 #'s apart)
1950 F6, 98RT191208 (use to be my service truck in the late 70's all i have left is the cab now)
1948 F5, 88RT61112 (parts truck)
I also have 4 spare cabs, i will write the numbers down and post them aswell.
while i was in canada looking for a merc pickup i got this tag off an old 51 or 52 cab, it is MDA83BHP-19437.

I hope this info is useful to you. Jess Soriano
Apologize for the long delay in a reply. Hope you are still trolling the site.

Your old service truck would appear to be a 1949 model year truck and not a 1950 based on the VIN number. What would really help would be for to you find the firewall stampings on these trucks and we could probably nail down a build date and assembly plant. They are usually stameped on either the firewall or just above it on the cowl inside the engine compartmant. Could be in the center, or to the right or to the left. I've seen them in each of these locations. Font could be large or small. There simply wan't much consistency within plants much less between plants with these numbers but they do contain some additional interesting information. Also, there could be no firewall stamping at all. Condition of the cab will dictate how difficlut these are to find or read.
 
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Originally Posted by mrcman58
Hello again texan2004,
Hay i just spent another hour looking for that 49/50 vin info i told you about,

WELL HERE IT IS.
now like i mentioned i got this info from what i feel is a reliable source.

Starting numbers for 1950 pickup & truck model's
192251 (6 cyl models), 173088 (V8 models),

I hope this information helps you, Jess
I've seen this information before as well but the numbers I saw were 292251 for 6-cyl and 273088 for V8's.

From what I've been able to learn the actual cut-off appears to be assembly plant dependent. I don't think there is one universal cut-off number for all 6-cyl 49/50's and all V8 49-50's. Instead each plant likely had it's own cut-off. VIN numbers appear to have been doled out to plants in blocks. I cannot see any pattern in how these were done or in what sizes. More research may expose this but for now I'm just trying to collect numbers and as much infomration on the truck assigned that number as possible.

Evidently, much of this information at Ford was lost in a fire or flodd some years ago.
 
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Old 12-09-2007, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by mtflat
Chuck, the info Jess gave puts the 49/50 split about where Carl's info is coming out. 50 V8 models started with 173088 and since yours is so much higher I'd say with confidence it is a 50. BUT, since Ford ran the two years together, many DMV's have been confused and title errors abound.

Jess, thanks for sharing the info from the old Ford mech.
Many times these trucks were not titled when new and only received titles later when state laws began to mandate them. For instance in Texas, Farm trucks did not require titles until sometime in the 1960's or 1970's (not exactly sure when). I do know that my first truck had a 1969 Farm Truck plate on it when I bought it and Texas was not able to locate a title for it even after searching archieve records. I know the did the search becasue I was standing right next to them when they did it. It was then that a more senior member of the staff enlightened us to this little quirk. Where I'm going with this is that when finally required to title the truck, who knows how many owners it had and whether they really knew what year the truck was when they titled it.

The VIN #'s are definitley showing a pattern, escpecially when a firewall stampings is available to nail down a plant and build date.
 
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[QUOTE=mtflat]Carl, did you happen to see this one on the bay? Interesting firewall stamping - vin is listed as 97H? 170597 ME, but the firewall stamp is 10MP30M207.

Correcting typo's leaves a vin of 97HY 170597 MP, but if the build date was 30 Dec it should have been 1948. Right? Just thot it was a curious one. - Tim

If the link doesn't work, here's the number. 200178692536


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Other-Pickups-TRUCK-1948-F3-Ford-Flatbed-Vintage-One-Ton-Truck-Antique-Old_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6221QQihZ010QQitemZ 200178692536QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW[/QUOTE]

Tim,

I'd say it's a very early 1949. Somewhere I found a comment (may have been from you) that 48 6-cyl. vin numbers ran through 166979. In any case the first didgit being a 9 would make it a 49 and not a 48 although we ahve no way of knowing how clear the VIN tag was and whterht that first didigt was really an 8 or a 9, howeverm he did back off and use a ? when he wasn't sure about a number though he did mis-read a P and an E. Hard to say but given the VIN number, I'd say it proably a 49. Also, building a truck 2 days before the end of the year they'd have to know there was no way to sell it in calender year 1948 although that certainly which bring up another question - At what build date did they start calling them 49's?? I believe this is the first 49 I've seen with a 48 build date. More thoughts to ponder I suppose.
 
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Originally Posted by 55 f350
1949 f-4 , vin tag awol . the only thing i can make out on cowl tag is 8rt . vin no. according to title is 98rt142028. 8rt flatty v-8 4speed floor shift . has small grain dump on it .ill get more later when it thaws out . it's a truckcicle right now .
Would love to get more information on this one. I hope it has a firewall stamping and you can provide it. This is the earliest 1949 vin number I've collected so far and is very near the reported 1948/49 VIN # cut-offs for V8's of 139262. Some information may help to answer the build date question I posed above. Any extra information you might have would be a big help.
 
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i'll go out today as its thawed out and see if i can find some more on it . the cowl tag is worn so i'm trying to figure a way to maybe get the no's to pop up . truck is pretty much an unmolested deal and from what i can tell all original other than some wiring .
 
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ok texan 2004 . the cowl tag is so worn its not even readable { all the small no.'s you were probably wanting ! } all that is is as follows : 98rt-142028 * HP. its to dain cold or i'd crawl around under it to see if'n i could find more but not today !!!!!!!!!!!! oh and yeah this is the 49 f-4 i posted on .
 
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That's probably all you'll find anyway. Other stamps I've seen on framerails may or may not have the whole vin - some just have the serial numbers.

The Data tag you're looking at might have a model number (only the later ones seemed to have a blank slot for that) has a few columns of patent numbers, but nothing else.

At least your title and vin match! Rating plate on the glovebox door has a little more info - model, engine, gvw and vin. Stampings right into the metal of the cowl itself hold more clues........



Carl, it's funny how the mind works - I looked at those numbers of Jess' and read them as 2's ........
quote from Carl: "I've seen this information before as well but the numbers I saw were 292251 for 6-cyl and 273088 for V8's."
 
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i'll go out over the next couple of days as it's supposed to be warmer and spend some time cleaning off the " crap " on the firewall and cowl and get those if they are there . this might be kinda a silly question , ive only read part of this thread , whats this all about ???? is this like the early pinto's and the dain thing is gonna blow up on me ? LOL newsflash !! i went out after typing this and found some markings on the firewall . appears to be 16 hpa . this mean anything ? you guy's have got me real curious about it all .
 

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