Power stearing wine
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Power stearing wine
My stearing is wining alot. I have been adding Power stearing fluid every so often, but only a small bit, as there is still fluid in there. However, when i add it, i can see the old stuff still in there, and its really dark brown. is there a way to drain the fluid resivior so that i can add all new fluid to it?
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yes, search Aero forum for power steering fluid change
pull rubber return line to pump off steel line from rack distribution block mounted on stub frame under engine. plug end of rubber line to pump reservior, run rubber hose extension from steel line end into drain pan, suck out reservior with turkey baster...fill with top quality synthetic Mercon ATF...i use Mobil 1 ATF...takes only a couple quarts to flush and fill...$10 well spent compared to $100 pump or $200 rack replacement.
pull coil wire on 3L or pull computer control plug into coil pack on 4L so engine will not run...
I'm lazy and have no helper so I leave ignition active and just start engine and turn back off...have not damaged pump yet and have used my lazy technique on half dozen vehicles out beyond 150k-200k miles with no pump or rack failures...your mileage and luck may vary...
approved safe method...
have partner crank engine and stop when fluid quits pouring out into drain pan....refill pump reservior...crank engine again....refill until fluid coming out is a nice titty pink like new...
replace hoses and use stainless steel hose clamps
put in a couple ounces of LubeGuard "red"...pu at tranny shops or carried by some auto parts stores...also put in an inline filter auto tranny type in the return neoprene hose....avail at most larger tranny rebuild shops and online
you're done.
how's the ATF in the tranny look and smell?
pull rubber return line to pump off steel line from rack distribution block mounted on stub frame under engine. plug end of rubber line to pump reservior, run rubber hose extension from steel line end into drain pan, suck out reservior with turkey baster...fill with top quality synthetic Mercon ATF...i use Mobil 1 ATF...takes only a couple quarts to flush and fill...$10 well spent compared to $100 pump or $200 rack replacement.
pull coil wire on 3L or pull computer control plug into coil pack on 4L so engine will not run...
I'm lazy and have no helper so I leave ignition active and just start engine and turn back off...have not damaged pump yet and have used my lazy technique on half dozen vehicles out beyond 150k-200k miles with no pump or rack failures...your mileage and luck may vary...
approved safe method...
have partner crank engine and stop when fluid quits pouring out into drain pan....refill pump reservior...crank engine again....refill until fluid coming out is a nice titty pink like new...
replace hoses and use stainless steel hose clamps
put in a couple ounces of LubeGuard "red"...pu at tranny shops or carried by some auto parts stores...also put in an inline filter auto tranny type in the return neoprene hose....avail at most larger tranny rebuild shops and online
you're done.
how's the ATF in the tranny look and smell?
Last edited by 96_4wdr; 10-16-2005 at 09:47 PM.
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'96 has hit it on the head.
A little background for you, Ford PS systems have been noisy for a long time. Even the Factory repair manual says to replace PS fluid with ATF fluid to quite them down. For some reason the PS fluid does not cut it and causes premature wear and on the system if not flushed regularly. Switch the ATF and you will be happy.
Also when was the last time plugs and wires were changed?
A little background for you, Ford PS systems have been noisy for a long time. Even the Factory repair manual says to replace PS fluid with ATF fluid to quite them down. For some reason the PS fluid does not cut it and causes premature wear and on the system if not flushed regularly. Switch the ATF and you will be happy.
Also when was the last time plugs and wires were changed?
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Originally Posted by 93nighthawk
'96 has hit it on the head.
A little background for you, Ford PS systems have been noisy for a long time. Even the Factory repair manual says to replace PS fluid with ATF fluid to quite them down. For some reason the PS fluid does not cut it and causes premature wear and on the system if not flushed regularly. Switch the ATF and you will be happy.
Also when was the last time plugs and wires were changed?
A little background for you, Ford PS systems have been noisy for a long time. Even the Factory repair manual says to replace PS fluid with ATF fluid to quite them down. For some reason the PS fluid does not cut it and causes premature wear and on the system if not flushed regularly. Switch the ATF and you will be happy.
Also when was the last time plugs and wires were changed?
wow... didn't know that about the manual saying so. by chance is the PS fluid compatable with the ATF? or is a full drain in order before making the switch?
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Originally Posted by xuzme720
wow... didn't know that about the manual saying so. by chance is the PS fluid compatable with the ATF? or is a full drain in order before making the switch?
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Gentlemen,
I would truly like to remove the cat-going-down-the-disposal-tail-first character of my aero in turns, does any of this REALLY work. I have flushed and refilled so many times because of my pre-hat water contamination and people still pull off to the side of the road thinking they hear an ambulance coming. someone please give me directions to the volume control on that p/s pump.
Ken
I would truly like to remove the cat-going-down-the-disposal-tail-first character of my aero in turns, does any of this REALLY work. I have flushed and refilled so many times because of my pre-hat water contamination and people still pull off to the side of the road thinking they hear an ambulance coming. someone please give me directions to the volume control on that p/s pump.
Ken
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I ran across this CarDone PDF today:
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I wasn't able to find this TSB 96-7-19.
Also, in this CarDone PDF, they say:
That "500 mile break-in" thing is BS (did the pump need 500 miles to break-in when it rolled off the lot?). I've hung a couple of CarDone Aero PS pumps on my Aeros, and none of them ever got quieter after thousands of miles.
My opinion is that they're just very bad pumps, but I pass this along for others who haven't (yet) come to that conclusion.
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Silent Killer: Clogged Power Steering Cooler
Application: Power Steering equipped vehicles with an oil cooler, especially Ford Aerostar.
Problem: Premature Power Steering failure, noisy operation, intermittent assist or premature failure.
Cause: Restricted flow through a failed cooler or accumulation of debris and contamination in the cooler.
Solution: Temporarily connect return lines together to bypass cooler. Test vehicle. If noise or assist problem is eliminated replace cooler (Ford Aerostar, see Ford technical service bulletin TSB 96-7-19). Be sure to inspect all hoses, including the remote reservoir hose, if so equipped. Also check the pump flow control valve and steering unit spool valve for debris. If debris is found eliminate cause (see ProTech PT 20-0004 and PT 20-0005). Flush the entire system (see PT 20-0012). Check in-line filters that may be blocked, change as necessary (see PT 20-0021).
Application: Power Steering equipped vehicles with an oil cooler, especially Ford Aerostar.
Problem: Premature Power Steering failure, noisy operation, intermittent assist or premature failure.
Cause: Restricted flow through a failed cooler or accumulation of debris and contamination in the cooler.
Solution: Temporarily connect return lines together to bypass cooler. Test vehicle. If noise or assist problem is eliminated replace cooler (Ford Aerostar, see Ford technical service bulletin TSB 96-7-19). Be sure to inspect all hoses, including the remote reservoir hose, if so equipped. Also check the pump flow control valve and steering unit spool valve for debris. If debris is found eliminate cause (see ProTech PT 20-0004 and PT 20-0005). Flush the entire system (see PT 20-0012). Check in-line filters that may be blocked, change as necessary (see PT 20-0021).
Also, in this CarDone PDF, they say:
PT 20-0006
Ford Power Steering Noise Caused by Pulley Position
Application: All vehicles equipped with Ford C2 style pumps (typical unit shown
below with aluminum housing and plastic reservoir).
Problem: Noisy power steering pump operation not attributed to air in the system.
Cause: The belt pulley may not be pressed on the shaft in the proper position. Side loading from the misaligned pulley forces internal parts to rub, causing noisy operation.
Solution: Make sure the pulley is pressed on 1/8th inch past the end of the shaft as shown below. Proper pulley alignment is critical for all applications. Always replace bent or damaged pulleys.
Note: Allow 500 mile break-in for this style pump. Noisy operation can also be the result of air in the system or restricted fluid flow. Refer to Pro-Techs PT 20-0002, PT 20-0003, PT 20-0004 and PT 20-0005.
Ford Power Steering Noise Caused by Pulley Position
Application: All vehicles equipped with Ford C2 style pumps (typical unit shown
below with aluminum housing and plastic reservoir).
Problem: Noisy power steering pump operation not attributed to air in the system.
Cause: The belt pulley may not be pressed on the shaft in the proper position. Side loading from the misaligned pulley forces internal parts to rub, causing noisy operation.
Solution: Make sure the pulley is pressed on 1/8th inch past the end of the shaft as shown below. Proper pulley alignment is critical for all applications. Always replace bent or damaged pulleys.
Note: Allow 500 mile break-in for this style pump. Noisy operation can also be the result of air in the system or restricted fluid flow. Refer to Pro-Techs PT 20-0002, PT 20-0003, PT 20-0004 and PT 20-0005.
My opinion is that they're just very bad pumps, but I pass this along for others who haven't (yet) come to that conclusion.
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I once installed type-F fluid into my PS pump by mistake, and it got noticeably quieter. When I found my mistake, I replaced the fluid with the specified type (Mercon, I think), and the noise returned. In general, I think Ford's PS pump is just very noisy; the one on my Mustang is also noisy, even when new.
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The "gutter thingy" that directs water was missing on my 'new' van, and it let tons
of water, which turned to ice, into the reservior...after doing a complete flush
as mentioned above by 964wd, I still have the moan.
I even made on an engine lathe an adapter so i could apply vacumm pump to the system, 20hg for 20 minutes while motor was running..my effort to get all air out.
I picked up a boneyard pump from donor that looked really clean under the hood,
and will throw that in in the spring. It's fluid did NOT have water in it.
You do know about the severed coke can on top, right?
of water, which turned to ice, into the reservior...after doing a complete flush
as mentioned above by 964wd, I still have the moan.
I even made on an engine lathe an adapter so i could apply vacumm pump to the system, 20hg for 20 minutes while motor was running..my effort to get all air out.
I picked up a boneyard pump from donor that looked really clean under the hood,
and will throw that in in the spring. It's fluid did NOT have water in it.
You do know about the severed coke can on top, right?
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