put it this way, i wouldn't be stuffing 1 little turbo on there and expect it to do the job. about 8 ought to do the trick rather nicely. (one for each cylinder) i really don't know what one would do with the right setup, but it would be interesting none the less. i know them belts are not for show, my dad's trencher uses the same style belt just a little shorter. it is the entire drive belt for the hole torque conversion system on it.

i think you will see more of diesel as they progress in the next few years.

i thought a SVT was a lot more than a regular F150 like 10 grand or so (i was thinking more than that). idk i am asking. that leaves a lot of money for tuning to be done after buying the supercharger.

 

Yup.
Checked my gallery lately???
I didn't fit it myself (didn't trust myself with the spanners enough), however I personally tuned over a week long session on the dyno.
I know a LOT more than most about these Modular motors, and while I am fan of them, their base design could be improved.

I would like to see something around 6.0l capacity.
DOHC, 4V heads, Variable Valve Timing, and most of all, an equal bore and stroke...
Direct Fuel Injection would be nice aswell... Can I be asking too much???

And supercharging as an option.

 

Only need one. A basic T67 will support 700+ hp and spool up hard and early on a 5.4L and I would assume similar results for engines of comparable displacement.


Like I said BigF350...that post wasn't directed towards you... Australian modulars enjoy the hard parts that simply are not offered in the States for any reasonable cost. I'd love to get a 32V 5.4 intake that is stock on your car. All that's available here is the stock Navi intake and Sullivan's full on race castings. Hopefully Sullivan will cast 2V intakes and then the SOHC 5.4's will take off n/a or boosted.

 

You were wrong. The Mustang is quicker than the Neon AND the GC and withing 2 - 3 tenths of everything else. So much for the Mustang not being a performance car.

Except there have already been GT's that have gotten SCT tunes and whatnot. So much for that theory.

Chrysler takes pride in their performance cars and Ford doesn't? You can't buy a 6.1L Hemi from the aftermarket? WTF are you going on about? You can't buy a 6.1L Hemi from the aftermarket because IT ISN'T OUT YET!! Once it comes out you'll be able to buy aftermarket N/A parts AND s/c kits. Unless, of course, it is a total flop.

Expensive for Ford to s/c the Stang reflecting in the price? The fact that the Stang is less expensive and outperforms anything Mopar has under $70,000 is a bad thing how? I would like to see your explanation for that Musclecar Fan.

 

It is really sad that you even bother to put a stang upto a neon. i commend dodge for putting it there. where does that put the focus? what about the old ford SHO taurus? did it fall of the face of the planet?

 

The new Lightning proves that Ford is taking pride...I mean, I know it's not out yet, but neither is the Hemi...

 

I'd also like to see how the aftermarket responds to the 6.1L Hemi....it hasn't exactly been stellar for the 5.7. Since DC isn't releasing the coding that allows tuners to reprogram the PCM to gain full control over all engine functions it's really putting a hurt on what aftermarket suppliers can put out. GSM and STS had numerous problems with the PCM freaking out in the Hemi Rams and had to resort to piggyback fuel controllers for auxillary fuel injectors because there is no way to reprogram the timing and injector tables through the PCM. Both Ford and GM have numerous options as far as tuning. The Hemi's are makng impressive numbers with nitrous and with what little boost they are able to run...but they are running into a brickwall until someone cracks that PCM.

 

The difference is GT's dyno about 560 rwhp bone stock, versus the Viper's 450 rwhp. There is quite a bit larger difference than the factory rating suggests.


Can you say fuzzy math? The same basic engine as the GT's minus the blower was making in excess of 400 flywheel horsepower in 2000. Sure, we can compare the Navigator's 300 horsepower to the Dodge Ram's 300 horsepower V10. Both are truck motors, it's ridiculous to compare the Navigator's 5.4L to the Viper's V10, the Navigator isn't tuned for horsepower but rather torque.


Except the GT is tuned to last 100,000 miles, run on 91 octane, meet emissions standards, and federal drive-by noise regulations. In other words it is choked up and conservatively tuned and still makes better than 550 horsepower AT THE WHEELS. Look at the 03/04 Cobras with their little 4.6Ls. They can make 500 rwhp with a pulley change, tune and exhaust. The GT can easily make in excess of 700 rwhp (more than 700 at the engine, BTW) without ever pulling a valve cover or swapping a blower. That is performance my friend, and it doesn't require a $40,000 Hennessy turbo kit or modifications than can't be removed in an hour.

Too bad the Viper doesn't come with a blower, eh?

 

Except modulars have flat out made more power than Gen III Chevys in boosted applications.

 

Anybody in the know can tell you the DB/Chrysler merger wasn't a merger at all, it was DB buying out Chrysler. DC is a german company bro, face the facts.

 

Why don't you read the comparo between the GT, Enzo, and the Porsche Carrera. The GT ran the 1/4 in 11.3 seconds at 132 mph. MM&FF also ran a stock GT to 10.90s @ 131. The Viper's aren't even in the GT's ballpark my friend.

 

I've seen numerous dyno's for the '00 R, most are actually 360-ish, however there are two published dynos of the '00 R that I have seen. It was in MM&FF and Motor Trend, and in both cases the car made slightly more than 370 rwhp and 380+ rwtq.

 

i'll add fuel to the fire. where are you at if you make a trip to lingenfelter with the vette?

looks like 725hp if you can afford it? can you say bye bye viper and GT .

let alone any of the other motors that they can make smoke from.

maybe lingenfelter should become gm's SVT program?

500hp hummer. i can see it now.

 

And who is the CEO? Where are DC headquarters? I eagerly await your reply.More fuel to the fire, the GT with a pulley swap and a tune will match or exceed that number.

 

Again, I would like the source...
I know Ford historically has quoted some down rated figures (and some optimistic ones, but thats another thread...) for thier power outputs.
But I very much doubt that they would place a conservative figure oof about 20%.
Using your figures, you say there is about 670hp at the flywheel...
I doubt it. I doubt it alot.

So you seen this done?
You are making the (incorrect) assumption that this is all that is required from prehaps seeing Mustang Cobras have similar performance gains.
There are many things involved in making more power.
You mentioned a couple.
Exhaust. Boost. Fuel mapping.

Other stock things that I don't think will make it at 700hp -
The Fuel system to deliver that quantity of fuel.
The ability of the standard intake manifold to flow that quantity of air.
The Valve springs, with an increase in boost, these quite often won't be stiff enough stock.

Completely irrelevant.
DC is a merged company.
Both parts have an equal say.
Mercedes have provided more components to Chrysler, but that is merely because Chrysler knows far more about marketing than engineering.

And if you really want to start pushing that wheel barrow. Consider this:
GM has ownership, part ownership, or interests in over 8 other automotive companies outside of the US.
Ford sells cars to around 132 different countries around the world.
If you think the Ford sites in each of those countries, or the other GM companies, don't get a say in the way the company is run, you would be very much mistaken.

The days of the American automotive manufacturer (like it or loathe it) have been over since the early 80's.
It is a global automotive industry.
No manufacturer can survive on purely the American market (as Oldsmobile has found out).
Now days it is a Global automotive world. Where the CEO and head office are located mean nothing.

BTW I was unable to find the Dyno graph for the 370rwhp stock Cobra R.
If someone has a copy, could they please scan it and post it? Thanks.
FYI my car (4V 5.4l) dynoed at - what I thought was reasonably healthy - 316 rwhp stock.