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Old 06-22-2004, 02:18 PM
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Question 429 or 460 ??? DOVE-C

Hi, I just bought a big block engine a week or so ago! I thought it was a 460 but now I'M not sure. It has stamped on the side of the head just below the valve cover DOVE-C What does this mean 429 or 460?? How can I tell? Next can anyone tell me what HP these engines have, and where can I buy an alternator and power steering bracket. Thanks any help in this thread would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Old 06-29-2004, 02:08 AM
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What is the casting number on the block?

Its above the starter and verticle on the side of the block.
 
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Old 06-29-2004, 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 72bigredflatbed
It has stamped on the side of the head just below the valve cover DOVE-C What does this mean 429 or 460?? How can I tell?
It means the heads are 1970 cast Lincoln engine heads-revision C. It could be a 429, a 460, or a stroker. You will have to pull a spark plug and check the stroke to see what short block it is. Same bore, different stroke. Both the 429 and 460 used the same head. 320ish hp 2bbl, 360ish hp 4bbl (gross not net hp). Brackets to fit what vehicle?
 
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Old 06-30-2004, 11:32 PM
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Ok i've finally had some time to check into this engine. The casting # on the side of the block is DOVE-A just above the starter! What does this mean??? Oh by the way it is a 4bbl engine. Thank for all the input, if you know the answer to my question please reply. Thanks again Rich Oh btw I found my brackets so this is a non issue..
 
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Old 07-01-2004, 10:58 AM
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D0VE-A means the block is (D0) 1970 cast (V) Lincoln (E) engine part (-A) revision A
 
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Old 07-03-2004, 09:09 AM
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this is one of those situations where the casting number is only going to tell you what the block is not whether it is a 429 or 460 if you suspect it of bieng one or the other you are going to have to check the stroke which is the difference between the 2 engines for the most part.
BTW bieng a4bbl just means it can be either, if it was a 2bbl carb than it would be a 429, as ford didn't use any 2bbls on the 460 from the factory.
 
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OK, I tried the wooden dowl thing to check the stroke. But no dice could'nt make it work. I did how ever look in a old FORD manual and it shows that in 1970 Lincoln offered a 460 that had a 365 HP with 500 ft lbs of Torque did not show a 429 at all. Now as everone out there has guessed I know nothing about this so correct me if I'm wrong.. As always thanks for your help.
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Originally Posted by 72bigredflatbed
OK, I tried the wooden dowl thing to check the stroke. But no dice could'nt make it work. I did how ever look in a old FORD manual and it shows that in 1970 Lincoln offered a 460 that had a 365 HP with 500 ft lbs of Torque did not show a 429 at all. Now as everone out there has guessed I know nothing about this so correct me if I'm wrong.. As always thanks for your help.
Rich


Is the engine still out?

Can you get the oil pan off to look at the casting number on the crank?

For a 429 it 4U or 4UA. An early 460 is 2Y or 2YA or anything with 2Y.

It seems a 429 block would be a a C8xx block casting, but I'm not a 100% sure on that.

But the crank casting # will tell you for sure what you have.
 
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Old 07-05-2004, 02:53 PM
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You can also check for a tag on the engine block. I pulled mine off but like a dummy I don't remember where it was bolted on. Maybe it was on hte intake on the coil bracket bolt? I can tell you that without a doubt there was a 429 4bbl in the 69 lincoln. That's what mine is, and your c9ve heads (1969) or dove (1970) heads are very desirable. They have small combustion chambers. I think they are around 50cc's compared to 80 or so on the later smog motors. (1971 and up) Mine was factory rated about 380hp/ 485lb./ft.

Also like neverenough said- D O V E
D=1970's decade
0=year 0 of that decade
V=lincoln
E=engine part

Be aware that these casting numbers can go on a vehicle later than the production date, but not earlier. (In other words 1994 - 1997 could all have F4** numbers on common parts like crossmembers, door handles, etc., but you won't find a F7** number on a 1994).

If you plan on putting this into a 73-79 truck keep a sharp eye out for motor mount stands. They are hard to come by and I have seen people pay$250/set.

If you plan on running a supercharger or turbo you may do better with the later heads. The compression ratio is at least 10.5:1 on the pre-71 motors. My TRW L-2366F pistons claim to bring it up to 11.2:1, but my automotive math book calls it 13.2:1. After 1971 they dropped to around 8:1.
Regardless of what it really is, I can run 92 pump gas with no problems, but I keep my total ignition timing under 33 degrees.

Superdave-
my 429 has a C9VE casting number.

Also the 429/460 has the same bell housing pattern as the 351/400, and the distributor from a 351C will drop right in.

If you did get a 429 instead of a 460, don't fret. Just remember that a 429 is basically a small-bore 460. I have only a slightly modified valve train in mine and I can put it up to about 7500 RPM (under load). Most 460's won't rev like that without a lot of work. Either way you'll be happy.
Also if you can find the vehicle the motor came from you may be able to decipher a door jamb sticker or a core support sticker to find out what you really have. Good luck and post back if I can help.
Dan
 
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Originally Posted by bodabdan
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my 429 has a C9VE casting number.
If you did get a 429 instead of a 460, don't fret. Just remember that a 429 is basically a small-bore 460. I have only a slightly modified valve train in mine and I can put it up to about 7500 RPM (under load). Most 460's won't rev like that without a lot of work. Either way you'll be happy.
Also if you can find the vehicle the motor came from you may be able to decipher a door jamb sticker or a core support sticker to find out what you really have. Good luck and post back if I can help.
Dan
No a 429 is a destroked 460 not a small bore they have the same bore different stroke, you can turn a 429 into a 460 by changing the rotating assy, and vice versa. Also if you ever do stumble upon a C9VE casting 429 block take it up, and have it sonic tested the early ones had extremely thick cyl walls, and could be bored safely to .140 over making it a 4.500 in bore, I did that with one in the mid 80s, and found a raw forging crank, that I was able to set to 4.5 in stroke making a 572ci engine
 
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I stand corrected sir!
Now I remember why they call them "385" motors. Mine has been on the stand waiting for a worthy chassis for about 4 yrs. I guess I'm getting rusty!
 
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Old 07-01-2007, 08:33 PM
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I have a Dove-A is a 460 out of a 70 lincoln has 460 cast in front of block beside timing cover. It is also cast for 4bolt mains but not drilled n taped has thicker main webs than std 2bolt D1ve-a2a.Dove-A is also casting # for the CJ/SCJ 4bolt blocks. If you can"t find 460 on front go with superdave and casting # on crank. Ether way I belive you got your hands on a very good block 429/460.
 
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Old 07-01-2007, 08:38 PM
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The only diff between 429/460 is stroke on crank and piston pin hight.Rods are same .
 
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Old 07-02-2007, 06:45 AM
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pull the pan! and then pm. me when you want motor mounts , i'll tell you how to make them with the parts you have already. rember 4u or 2y's....
 
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429 or 460

Hi
I bought a 48 ford truck with a c6 transmission and a 460? engine. the engine has DOVE-C heads, a 2 bbl carb and manifold and 460 stamped on the block. Based on what I read here it should be a 429?
 

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