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Old 02-18-2009, 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by monsterbaby View Post
Lets see, you have a known good engine with a clean bill of health as far as compression test goes vs an unknown questionable engine that may need a complete overhaul AND a new cam to get any power out of. Personally i would keep the known engine, change out the timing chain for a double roller and set it straight up, a good free flowing exhaust and possibly a cam and intake depending on budget.

IF you want you can then build one to replace it with later out of the 429 but I wouldn't get rid of an engine that is running good.
Good Advice. It took me over a year now since I pulled my running engine. The rebuild ended up being a 460 with a cam a little hotter than what I previously was looking at. The engine is still waiting to be dropped in my old ford, have to box the frame then it's a go!
 
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A block casting number of DOVE was used 1970 only for both 429's and 460's.

DOVE does not refer to just Lincolns, the same block (and DOVE heads) were used in Fords, Lincolns and Mercury's.

The 460 was introduced in 1968, used only in Lincolns and Mark III's until 1972.

The first Ford passenger car to have a 460 was the 1972 Thunderbird.

1973/78: The 460 was available in LTD's, T-Bird's, Mercury Marquis, some Cougars and Torino/Montego's, Lincoln Town Cars, Mark IV's and Mark V's.

1973/79 F100/350's and 1975/79 Econolines.

No 1979 or later car used a 460.

Block casting number: D1VE-6015-AB: 1971/74 429 / 1971/midyear 1979 460.

Block casting numbers are next to useless for ID'ing FE, 385 Series and just about every other FoMoCo engine thru midyear 1979.

All the 1965/76 352/360/390/410/428 blocks were cast as 352's.

All the 1968/midyear 1979 385 Series blocks were cast as 429's.

Block casting numbers cannot be cross referenced to actual Ford part numbers.

FTE members go ga-ga over block casting numbers. But the fact of the matter is, excepting late 1979 460's....block casting numbers won't tell you diddly-squat!

There were two 460 blocks used in 1979 on Econolines and F100/350's. The block casting numbers differentiate the two.

D1VE-AB was used thru midyear 1979. D9TE-AB was used midyear 1979 thru 1986.

This was a Ford "running change" so a serial number break, or a production date does not apply.
 
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Originally Posted by gman30 View Post
Thanks alot, i plan on buying this cam if u wouln't mind taking a quick look and telling me what ya think

COMP Cams: High Energy™, 260H: Cam & Kit

thanks again
Honestly you would be better served with a cam with split duration giving the exhaust more duration then the intake. The exhaust is the restriction on these motors. So a better choice might be the xtreme 4x4 series cams, like the X4256H-11 part # 34-231-4. Here is a link to that cam (yes it comes with in a kit like the one you linked to also just add a "K" to the front of the part number)
http://www.compperformancegroupstore...Category_Code=

Another cam that would give you similar characteristics as the one you listed but better better suited for you engine 255DEH part # 34-223-4, that cam will work fine with stock springs and rockers easily.
http://www.compperformancegroupstore...Category_Code=

I personally prefer the xtreme energy series but unless your willing to change out springs the xtreme energy cam has a little bit more lift then I would like on stock springs with over .500 lift (it specs at .514)
 
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I have to disagree with numbers dummy . With all respect you are a true number guru. But the casting numbers tell you a lot ,the years for good compression and valve sizes on heads. C8ae/dove early closed chamber. DOVE-R D2AE-B CJ and PI.All /SCJ blocks casting DOVE-A, Ford was bad about throwing any block in production . Some early 71 CJ blocks got DOVE-A some 2 bolt/ 4 bolt , then changed to DIVE-A still a thick cast main and short deck.DIVE-AA ABA are the thin cast main taller deck. D9TE had a taller deck I think there where three deck hights. A 302 mexican block has a unique casting numbers. the good stuff is I deed with a casting number!
 
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Definately check the stroke. My "460" came to me in a '78 Bronco. C8 or C9 block, D0VE-A heads, '460' cast into block, but had 429 crank and pistons in it.
 
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429 or 460

What year is the engine? I have a 1971 429 which has dove-c heads. Unless your heads have been swapped out, its a possibility its a 429. the HP varies depending on the year, cid, heads, and if they're a 2v or 4v. My engine (1971 429 dove-c heads, 2v) is rated @ 320 HP. the 4v is rated @ 360 Hp, both with a 10.5:1 compression ratio for this year. You could pull the oil pan and check the crankshft and connecting rods. also, what is the block casting number (located just above the starter)?
 
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429 or 460

What year is the engine? I have a 1971 429 which has dove-c heads. Unless your heads have been swapped out, its a possibility its a 429. the HP varies depending on the year, cid, heads, and if they're a 2v or 4v. My engine (1971 429 dove-c heads, 2v) is rated @ 320 HP. the 4v is rated @ 360 Hp, both with a 10.5:1 compression ratio for this year. You could pull the oil pan and check the crankshft and connecting rods. also, what is the block casting number (located just above the starter)?







Originally Posted by 72bigredflatbed View Post
Hi, I just bought a big block engine a week or so ago! I thought it was a 460 but now I'M not sure. It has stamped on the side of the head just below the valve cover DOVE-C What does this mean 429 or 460?? How can I tell? Next can anyone tell me what HP these engines have, and where can I buy an alternator and power steering bracket. Thanks any help in this thread would be greatly appreciated.
 
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But the fact of the matter is, excepting late 1979 460's....block casting numbers won't tell you diddly-squat!
Thank goodness someone finally cleared that up for me. I've been researching for hours and hours trying to find out what engines my buddy has. Now I know why I couldn't even find out for him what size, just dates.
These are the ones he has (just in case anyone has any info)
D3TE T02 19
D1VE 6015 A2B
D1VE A2B
C9VE B 6015
D1VE 6015 A2B
D1VE 6015 AA

Looks like maybe he left off the 6015's from two of them. I didn't see the numbers, he gave them to me. He lives in TN, I'm in VA.
 
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Old 10-25-2009, 11:37 AM
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casting numbers

from what I heard on the internet the whole 6015 part of the casting number was left out from the factory on some engines. I think the ones without it have bigger main bearing webs. pull the pan and see if they stay the same size all the way through or get thinner. You might not understand what I am trying to say because I can't find the words to describe it the right way. But if you pull the pan it will be obviouse.

The blocks with the #6015 are the cobra jet/super cobra jet blocks, the others are standard from what was on a web page. But my engine isn't a cj/scj and it has the #6015 in it. Apparently it is a factory ****up. cj/scj blocks have the thicker webs.

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that is more urban myths. People have been coming up with what this or that means for year adn years. like the A cast in the block meaning it was a boss block. truth is that when they were setting up the mold they needed an end cap mold and just grabbed the one that had been used as the boss 9 mold and presto you have a 2 bolt passenger 2v 429 block with a boss 9 bulkhead. the 6015 was a part number and the casting numbers as Bill will tell you are NOT actually part numbers. Some molds had it on there some did not. means nothing mroe then which mold they grabbed while setting up the block sand casting.

I have seen D1VE blocks with the 6015 cast in them and they were most definite NOT thick web adn were NOT CJ/SCJ blocks.
 
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I am new to this site......have a question for you guys..I have a 460 with dove c heads that I want to rebuild....would it be cheaper to buy aftermarket aluminum heads or should I pay machine shop to work these dove heads?..
 
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Dove c heads are pretty darn good without porting. If your trying to build a 500 hp engine, then it is a different issue. but the stock heads on a 460 were putting out somewhere around 330-340 hp back in the early 70's. With the right intake, cam and carb., and headers setup, you should be able to easily hit 400 hp. The aluminum heads with take a bunch of weight off your engine, and give you higher numbers right out of the box, but they go for somewhere around 2k for a set. I rebuilt my whole 460 for that amount. So I guess the answer is what do you plan to do with the engine, and how much horse power are you looking to achieve?
 
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P.S. update on my truck and 460. 460 is in and running, but the driver's side header won't fit around the steering box without moving the engine foward about an inch, because the motor mount in relation to the steering box won't fit between the two. So back to drawing board to pull engine and refit mounts(this time I'll let the professionals do this!)
 
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dove heads

thanks steve for the info...I`m building the motor for a mud bogg truck. its a 1980 f350 4x4.....I`m looking for the most power I can get and still run on pump gas....
 
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Originally Posted by callmevt3 View Post
thanks steve for the info...I`m building the motor for a mud bogg truck. its a 1980 f350 4x4.....I`m looking for the most power I can get and still run on pump gas....
alum heads will get you more power easily and will allow more compression and still run on pump gas BUT and this is a biggie. If your competing I suggest you go check the rules where you want to run, the places I ran alum heads automatically put you into the modified class and then you were competing against guys like me with big strokers making 800+hp in gutted out lighted trucks and cut boggers etc.

Once you find out the rules for the area and class you want to run THEN make those kind of decisions.
 

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