2011 E250, No Start, PATS System
Thread Starter
|
Trailering
Joined: Apr 2024
Posts: 24
Likes: 11
2011 E250, No Start, PATS System
Hi all, I'm having a problem with my work van that is very inconvenient. It started off, every once in awhile, it would not start, let it set for a 30 minutes to an hour cycling the key and it would start. It's gotten more frequent to the point we are at now it will not start. Everything lights up on the dash but no crank or anything. The PRND21 display is just dashed lines and the security light flashes fast. I've tried disconnecting the battery for 30 minutes and hooking it back up to no avail. I've also cycled by turning the key to the on position for 10ish minutes until the security light stays solid 3x and still nothing. When i bought the van from a used dealership the only key it came with was an aftermarket key. I suspected it was the key but the only way the local dealership can make me a factory key is to have the van towed to them (which I will do if I can't figure it out), I just hate to do that for a key.
I can find very minimal info about this online so hoping someone here has some advice. Im at my wits end having to drag all my tools around in my superduty when I have an otherwise good van sitting in my driveway doing nothing.
I can find very minimal info about this online so hoping someone here has some advice. Im at my wits end having to drag all my tools around in my superduty when I have an otherwise good van sitting in my driveway doing nothing.
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Jan 2023
Posts: 1,328
Likes: 448
PATS can be frustrating and making new keys can be difficut to impossible. If there is a problem with the PATS module, it will need to be fixed. You can't do anything without some type of computer or scan tool. Forscan is used by many and it is free. Forscan may be able to program keys for your vehicle, but they will still need to be cut.
Here is the Forscan forum Q&A on PATS
https://forscan.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17250
A mobile locksmith can program and cut new keys. This may be better than a dealership depending on your area.
A scan tool (not auto parts store code reader) or Forscan will tell you if there is a problem with the PATS signal or module.
According to this discussion thread, 2011 Fords have PATS in the Smart Junction Box.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...m-problem.html
Here is the Forscan forum Q&A on PATS
https://forscan.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17250
A mobile locksmith can program and cut new keys. This may be better than a dealership depending on your area.
A scan tool (not auto parts store code reader) or Forscan will tell you if there is a problem with the PATS signal or module.
According to this discussion thread, 2011 Fords have PATS in the Smart Junction Box.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...m-problem.html
Thread Starter
|
Trailering
Joined: Apr 2024
Posts: 24
Likes: 11
Thank you, i've been wanting to look into fourscan anyways to change some things on my superduty. A buddy of mine dropped off a decent craftsman scanner today but of course it was down pouring rain all day. I will scan it tomorrow and see if anything pops up.
Fleet Mechanic
Joined: Jan 2023
Posts: 1,328
Likes: 448
Thread Starter
|
Trailering
Joined: Apr 2024
Posts: 24
Likes: 11
Whew...that's like trying to read chinese to me, I'm just a plumber, if it's that it may be above my paygrade
Thread Starter
|
Trailering
Joined: Apr 2024
Posts: 24
Likes: 11
Yeah, I think i'm gonna do some calling around today.
Trending Topics
Hotshot
Joined: Jul 2020
Posts: 10,519
Likes: 2,654
From: Near Salt Lake City
Well, plumbing is above all of us mechanics pay grade too
My friends dad is a long time plumber.
I know the cardinal rule, and do enjoy dabbling in plumbing myself
My stinkin Moen is leaking and I got free cartridge
This time I bought a puller but the threads were wrong
I re tapped the puller threads and got a correctly threaded screw
Replaced the cartridge with the jippo China one that came with the puller
It now leaks worse than it did before, I read later not to use the jippo stuff and called Moen for a free replacement
I have that to look forward to. Do you think I am on the right track? The fixture is only about 6 years old and was installed by a pro the first time
I did notice hard water crusty crap inside the housing where the cartridge goes. Should I worry about that?
Thanks
My friends dad is a long time plumber.
I know the cardinal rule, and do enjoy dabbling in plumbing myself
My stinkin Moen is leaking and I got free cartridge
This time I bought a puller but the threads were wrong
I re tapped the puller threads and got a correctly threaded screw
Replaced the cartridge with the jippo China one that came with the puller
It now leaks worse than it did before, I read later not to use the jippo stuff and called Moen for a free replacement
I have that to look forward to. Do you think I am on the right track? The fixture is only about 6 years old and was installed by a pro the first time
I did notice hard water crusty crap inside the housing where the cartridge goes. Should I worry about that?
Thanks
FTE Stories
Ford Trucks for Ford Truck Enthusiasts
3 Best / 3 Worst Parts of Modern Ford Ownership
Brett Foote
10 Amazing Upgrades That Solve Common Ford Truck Owner Headaches
Pouria Savadkouei
Every 2026 Ford Engine Explained
Brett Foote
10 Ugly Ford Trucks That We Still Kinda Love
Joe Kucinski
10 Things Every Truck Owner NEEDS (2026 Edition)
Michael S. Palmer
Rezvani's Latest Post-Apocalyptic Monster Is a Ford F-150 Raptor Underneath
Verdad Gallardo
Top 10 Most Expensive Ford Trucks Ever Sold on Bring a Trailer
Joe Kucinski
2027 Ford Super Duty Buyer's Guide (Every Model, Engine, & Package)
Brett Foote
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies
Joe Kucinski
Hotshot
Joined: Jul 2020
Posts: 10,519
Likes: 2,654
From: Near Salt Lake City
The instrument clusters sure are an issue on some of these years trucks
Some of them will only start after waiting a few moments with the key on
Forscan can read those pats codes and send you in the right direction
Might take about as long to figure out as plumbing a new house (unless you are well versed and have a ton of test equipment)
Time is money, bloom where you are planted
I make good money fixing cars and sometimes leave the plumbing for you guys
Some of them will only start after waiting a few moments with the key on
Forscan can read those pats codes and send you in the right direction
Might take about as long to figure out as plumbing a new house (unless you are well versed and have a ton of test equipment)
Time is money, bloom where you are planted
I make good money fixing cars and sometimes leave the plumbing for you guys
Thread Starter
|
Trailering
Joined: Apr 2024
Posts: 24
Likes: 11
Well, plumbing is above all of us mechanics pay grade too
My friends dad is a long time plumber.
I know the cardinal rule, and do enjoy dabbling in plumbing myself
My stinkin Moen is leaking and I got free cartridge
This time I bought a puller but the threads were wrong
I re tapped the puller threads and got a correctly threaded screw
Replaced the cartridge with the jippo China one that came with the puller
It now leaks worse than it did before, I read later not to use the jippo stuff and called Moen for a free replacement
I have that to look forward to. Do you think I am on the right track? The fixture is only about 6 years old and was installed by a pro the first time
I did notice hard water crusty crap inside the housing where the cartridge goes. Should I worry about that?
Thanks
My friends dad is a long time plumber.
I know the cardinal rule, and do enjoy dabbling in plumbing myself
My stinkin Moen is leaking and I got free cartridge
This time I bought a puller but the threads were wrong
I re tapped the puller threads and got a correctly threaded screw
Replaced the cartridge with the jippo China one that came with the puller
It now leaks worse than it did before, I read later not to use the jippo stuff and called Moen for a free replacement
I have that to look forward to. Do you think I am on the right track? The fixture is only about 6 years old and was installed by a pro the first time
I did notice hard water crusty crap inside the housing where the cartridge goes. Should I worry about that?
Thanks
I hate Moen for a reason. Half the time the puller doesn't work and I have to break the cartridge out in pieces. Did you grease the rubber sides of the cartridge before installing it?
Thread Starter
|
Trailering
Joined: Apr 2024
Posts: 24
Likes: 11
The instrument clusters sure are an issue on some of these years trucks
Some of them will only start after waiting a few moments with the key on
Forscan can read those pats codes and send you in the right direction
Might take about as long to figure out as plumbing a new house (unless you are well versed and have a ton of test equipment)
Time is money, bloom where you are planted
I make good money fixing cars and sometimes leave the plumbing for you guys
Some of them will only start after waiting a few moments with the key on
Forscan can read those pats codes and send you in the right direction
Might take about as long to figure out as plumbing a new house (unless you are well versed and have a ton of test equipment)
Time is money, bloom where you are planted
I make good money fixing cars and sometimes leave the plumbing for you guys
Thread Starter
|
Trailering
Joined: Apr 2024
Posts: 24
Likes: 11
Tried calling the locksmith and he said it sounds more like a PCM issue....so towed off the the dealership it went this afternoon. I looked at remanned PCM through Flagship One and Car Computers but they have less than favorable reviews online and youtube. I just want this done so I can spend more time and money on upgrades for my SD lol.
Thread Starter
|
Trailering
Joined: Apr 2024
Posts: 24
Likes: 11
Update: Turns out there was a bad connector under the dash making communication with the PCM impossible. $627 dollars later its back on the road 
. Good news though, the dealership I took it to gives a free carfax account for any vehicle that gets serviced there. Turns out, the engine was replaced with a Ford reman 53,000 miles ago. Called the dealership listed on the carfax and they sent me all the paperwork for the engine replacement. 
. Good news though, the dealership I took it to gives a free carfax account for any vehicle that gets serviced there. Turns out, the engine was replaced with a Ford reman 53,000 miles ago. Called the dealership listed on the carfax and they sent me all the paperwork for the engine replacement.
