'48 VIN
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Bruce, I appreciate the info you've shared here. When I saw the stamping above the build code I saw it as 1G, but it makes more sense that it is 16.
SP K3 2337 10674 - I'm still puzzled by K which would be an October build. The others around it in the data log are E or F codes. For now I'll let that simmer.
In 48 the plants were just getting started on identification of trucks based on frame numbers. 47 and earlier IDs were still based on engine numbers.
All plants show some variation. I can't think of any others that have the paint code stamped like this, but I'm convinced. The truck has the look of original yellow.
Wayne, I'm changing my paint codes in the data to show yellow as 16 for 48 and 49.
Moe, I already have it noted that way for 50 based on earlier discussion.
Why change it now? The data log is made up of personal observations, owner comments, documentation from Ford, etc, etc. It is as accurate as possible until some proof shows up to change it. Ford has changed color designations over the 48-52 model series several times. Starting with numbers, most if not all were switched to letters by 52. Red has been 2, M and N according to various sources, plus stamping errors are common so I don't make quick adjustments in the data log until something definite comes along. This is one of those times.
SP K3 2337 10674 - I'm still puzzled by K which would be an October build. The others around it in the data log are E or F codes. For now I'll let that simmer.
In 48 the plants were just getting started on identification of trucks based on frame numbers. 47 and earlier IDs were still based on engine numbers.
All plants show some variation. I can't think of any others that have the paint code stamped like this, but I'm convinced. The truck has the look of original yellow.
Wayne, I'm changing my paint codes in the data to show yellow as 16 for 48 and 49.
Moe, I already have it noted that way for 50 based on earlier discussion.
Why change it now? The data log is made up of personal observations, owner comments, documentation from Ford, etc, etc. It is as accurate as possible until some proof shows up to change it. Ford has changed color designations over the 48-52 model series several times. Starting with numbers, most if not all were switched to letters by 52. Red has been 2, M and N according to various sources, plus stamping errors are common so I don't make quick adjustments in the data log until something definite comes along. This is one of those times.
I was born in Feb '49 and I can remember clearly back to many, many events in late '51 and nearly everything in '52 and subsequent.
One of the things that stands out is that almost all American vehicle manufacturers introduced the new model year in September of the year prior. Hence, the October build date may very well have occurred in October '51, IF I have read your comment correctly.
My Granddad, for example, was a pretty much dyed-in-the-wool Ford man but, as a business owner, he knew to not pass up a deal. He bought a '53 Chevrolet 3100 in September '52. Until July 1954, we went 'home' every weekend and I recall Dad taking a picture of that truck when we got home that Friday evening.
Papa had just bought a new Ford 2-door for Grandmother earlier in the year, again having gotten a deal.
When Papa was killed in Grandmother's car in July '54, she and my aunt were left at home with the truck which then was their only means of transportation. They owned that truck until my Aunt got married and so Grandmother sold it to the neighbor family who owned and cared for it for the next 40+ years.
In the early part of this century the family re-acquired it, and then I bought it from my cousin in 2012. That whole rant to simply say that my yellow '48 may have been built in Oct. '51. You reckon that's possible? (??)
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No offense taken Bruce, we learn by being challenged. My "vintage" is 1953 so I'm looking at 70 come October. I grew up being called "the last of the flatheads" and I was 46 before I had one of my own. I figure I was fortunate to live during the muscle car years of the mid to late 60s. My tribute to that era is my '07 Shelby - and of all the Mustangs I've had, this is the most fun!
I recall a riding in lot of Chevy's growing up in Ohio, but my dad had a bit of everything and nothing was there for long. One I remember was a 55 Pontiac Star Chief dripping in chrome. When he had his own Sohio gas station he had a 37 Ford pickup as the shop runner.
I grew into Fords about the time I left home. I've always done my own mechanic work and Fords make sense to me. I hate working on Chevys and detest working on Dodges. I try to avoid Japanese stuff but the grandkids keep dragging the junk over here.
Model years - yes Ford used the sumer/fall for new models, but the new F-series trucks hit the showroom floors on Jan 16, 1948 and for the next 3+ years Ford used the calendar year as the model year. We have been able to verify this from serial numbers we have collected. They went back to fall releases Sept 15, 1951 according to Ford literature. During 1948 cars didn't get the new engine until summer when the new 1949 models came out, so the late-summer/fall release continued with cars, but not trucks.
Unfortunately Ford burned all the records in 1967 and the history of these trucks was lost. 20-some years ago a few of us here on FTE decided to try to recover as much info as we could. Carl (Texan2004) started saving data and I picked it up and added to his work. I recently passed to Wayne what I had at the time so it can continue into the future. We currently have approx 2000 serial numbers and many with firewall stampings in the data logs.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/4...n-cut-off.html
Blessings with your new adventure!
Tim
I recall a riding in lot of Chevy's growing up in Ohio, but my dad had a bit of everything and nothing was there for long. One I remember was a 55 Pontiac Star Chief dripping in chrome. When he had his own Sohio gas station he had a 37 Ford pickup as the shop runner.
I grew into Fords about the time I left home. I've always done my own mechanic work and Fords make sense to me. I hate working on Chevys and detest working on Dodges. I try to avoid Japanese stuff but the grandkids keep dragging the junk over here.
Model years - yes Ford used the sumer/fall for new models, but the new F-series trucks hit the showroom floors on Jan 16, 1948 and for the next 3+ years Ford used the calendar year as the model year. We have been able to verify this from serial numbers we have collected. They went back to fall releases Sept 15, 1951 according to Ford literature. During 1948 cars didn't get the new engine until summer when the new 1949 models came out, so the late-summer/fall release continued with cars, but not trucks.
Unfortunately Ford burned all the records in 1967 and the history of these trucks was lost. 20-some years ago a few of us here on FTE decided to try to recover as much info as we could. Carl (Texan2004) started saving data and I picked it up and added to his work. I recently passed to Wayne what I had at the time so it can continue into the future. We currently have approx 2000 serial numbers and many with firewall stampings in the data logs.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/4...n-cut-off.html
Blessings with your new adventure!
Tim
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No offense taken Bruce, we learn by being challenged. My "vintage" is 1953 so I'm looking at 70 come October. I grew up being called "the last of the flatheads" and I was 46 before I had one of my own. I figure I was fortunate to live during the muscle car years of the mid to late 60s. My tribute to that era is my '07 Shelby - and of all the Mustangs I've had, this is the most fun!
I recall a riding in lot of Chevy's growing up in Ohio, but my dad had a bit of everything and nothing was there for long. One I remember was a 55 Pontiac Star Chief dripping in chrome. When he had his own Sohio gas station he had a 37 Ford pickup as the shop runner.
I grew into Fords about the time I left home. I've always done my own mechanic work and Fords make sense to me. I hate working on Chevys and detest working on Dodges. I try to avoid Japanese stuff but the grandkids keep dragging the junk over here.
Model years - yes Ford used the sumer/fall for new models, but the new F-series trucks hit the showroom floors on Jan 16, 1948 and for the next 3+ years Ford used the calendar year as the model year. We have been able to verify this from serial numbers we have collected. They went back to fall releases Sept 15, 1951 according to Ford literature. During 1948 cars didn't get the new engine until summer when the new 1949 models came out, so the late-summer/fall release continued with cars, but not trucks.
Unfortunately Ford burned all the records in 1967 and the history of these trucks was lost. 20-some years ago a few of us here on FTE decided to try to recover as much info as we could. Carl (Texan2004) started saving data and I picked it up and added to his work. I recently passed to Wayne what I had at the time so it can continue into the future. We currently have approx 2000 serial numbers and many with firewall stampings in the data logs.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/4...n-cut-off.html
Blessings with your new adventure!
Tim
I recall a riding in lot of Chevy's growing up in Ohio, but my dad had a bit of everything and nothing was there for long. One I remember was a 55 Pontiac Star Chief dripping in chrome. When he had his own Sohio gas station he had a 37 Ford pickup as the shop runner.
I grew into Fords about the time I left home. I've always done my own mechanic work and Fords make sense to me. I hate working on Chevys and detest working on Dodges. I try to avoid Japanese stuff but the grandkids keep dragging the junk over here.
Model years - yes Ford used the sumer/fall for new models, but the new F-series trucks hit the showroom floors on Jan 16, 1948 and for the next 3+ years Ford used the calendar year as the model year. We have been able to verify this from serial numbers we have collected. They went back to fall releases Sept 15, 1951 according to Ford literature. During 1948 cars didn't get the new engine until summer when the new 1949 models came out, so the late-summer/fall release continued with cars, but not trucks.
Unfortunately Ford burned all the records in 1967 and the history of these trucks was lost. 20-some years ago a few of us here on FTE decided to try to recover as much info as we could. Carl (Texan2004) started saving data and I picked it up and added to his work. I recently passed to Wayne what I had at the time so it can continue into the future. We currently have approx 2000 serial numbers and many with firewall stampings in the data logs.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/4...n-cut-off.html
Blessings with your new adventure!
Tim
Blessings on you and yours.
Bruce
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