Future Diesel Engines
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Future Diesel Engines
Here's a link to a dscription of a prototype diesel developed by Detroit Diesel in 2000. Shows what they could be providing if they wanted to. 230 hp, 340 tq, 20 mpg, 250,000 mile durability.
Light Truck Diesel Prototype
Light Truck Diesel Prototype
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I definitely agree with you but I don't see the detroit 60 series goin out in the next 10 years though. But you can tell they have been planning this for a while now because they haven't done any big changes to the detroit 60 series in a long time. The new Mercedes 12.7L will definitely take its spot. Stronger, last longer and more efficient. I wish they would make a small turbo diesel for the light duty trucks. They are alot more efficient and alot more powerful. Just my opinion.
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I still don't see why a smaller diesel (like the one in that report) hasn't been available as an option for F150 owners (and other 1500 trucks). It would be great for the guy that tows a boat, luggage, and family, and wants the best performance. Especially in something like a Durango - it's a bit bigger than the Explorer, smaller than the Expedition. I don't see why it shouldn't have a pint-size diesel as an option.
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11-10-2003, 12:22 PM
Everybody complains that the price of a new vehicle is so high. Then there was the thread about going back to the basics, and now we want diesels.
The diesel engine increases the price of the vehicle. So much in fact that it would take an amount of time greater than the life of the vehicle in regards to fuel savings.
Diesel engines are more costly to repair, and turbos require special use. There are barely enough diesel mechanics to work on the trucks that we have now, imagine what it would be like to have that many more engines on the road.
Right now we have low grade, high sulphur diesel fuel on the market, and its cheap enough to keep so many farmers and ranchers and fledgling trucking companies in business. If we start building light car and truck diesels, we are going to need higher grade, low sulphur diesel fuel, and that is expensive. So much in fact that our diesel would go from $.90 per gallon (nontax) to well over $2 per gallon. I don't think that there is a significant market for a full scale production V6/V8/I5-6 diesel engine in light duty trucks, the trucks can't handle that kind of towing to begin with, and when you got all done you would have the weight and ride of a 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck anyway, and now the cost would be the same.
Its just plain not feasible, Ford, GM, and Dodge all know this.
The diesel engine increases the price of the vehicle. So much in fact that it would take an amount of time greater than the life of the vehicle in regards to fuel savings.
Diesel engines are more costly to repair, and turbos require special use. There are barely enough diesel mechanics to work on the trucks that we have now, imagine what it would be like to have that many more engines on the road.
Right now we have low grade, high sulphur diesel fuel on the market, and its cheap enough to keep so many farmers and ranchers and fledgling trucking companies in business. If we start building light car and truck diesels, we are going to need higher grade, low sulphur diesel fuel, and that is expensive. So much in fact that our diesel would go from $.90 per gallon (nontax) to well over $2 per gallon. I don't think that there is a significant market for a full scale production V6/V8/I5-6 diesel engine in light duty trucks, the trucks can't handle that kind of towing to begin with, and when you got all done you would have the weight and ride of a 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck anyway, and now the cost would be the same.
Its just plain not feasible, Ford, GM, and Dodge all know this.
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Originally posted by mattsbox99
Everybody complains that the price of a new vehicle is so high. Then there was the thread about going back to the basics, and now we want diesels.
The diesel engine increases the price of the vehicle. So much in fact that it would take an amount of time greater than the life of the vehicle in regards to fuel savings.
Diesel engines are more costly to repair, and turbos require special use. There are barely enough diesel mechanics to work on the trucks that we have now, imagine what it would be like to have that many more engines on the road.
Right now we have low grade, high sulphur diesel fuel on the market, and its cheap enough to keep so many farmers and ranchers and fledgling trucking companies in business. If we start building light car and truck diesels, we are going to need higher grade, low sulphur diesel fuel, and that is expensive. So much in fact that our diesel would go from $.90 per gallon (nontax) to well over $2 per gallon. I don't think that there is a significant market for a full scale production V6/V8/I5-6 diesel engine in light duty trucks, the trucks can't handle that kind of towing to begin with, and when you got all done you would have the weight and ride of a 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck anyway, and now the cost would be the same.
Its just plain not feasible, Ford, GM, and Dodge all know this.
Everybody complains that the price of a new vehicle is so high. Then there was the thread about going back to the basics, and now we want diesels.
The diesel engine increases the price of the vehicle. So much in fact that it would take an amount of time greater than the life of the vehicle in regards to fuel savings.
Diesel engines are more costly to repair, and turbos require special use. There are barely enough diesel mechanics to work on the trucks that we have now, imagine what it would be like to have that many more engines on the road.
Right now we have low grade, high sulphur diesel fuel on the market, and its cheap enough to keep so many farmers and ranchers and fledgling trucking companies in business. If we start building light car and truck diesels, we are going to need higher grade, low sulphur diesel fuel, and that is expensive. So much in fact that our diesel would go from $.90 per gallon (nontax) to well over $2 per gallon. I don't think that there is a significant market for a full scale production V6/V8/I5-6 diesel engine in light duty trucks, the trucks can't handle that kind of towing to begin with, and when you got all done you would have the weight and ride of a 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck anyway, and now the cost would be the same.
Its just plain not feasible, Ford, GM, and Dodge all know this.
Evidently it works for them, but why not us?
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Originally posted by mattsbox99
Thats because gasoline is so outrageously expensive (5-8$ per imperial gallon).
They use high grade diesel in europe, but most of the vehicles there are little cars that get 50-65 MPG. Nobody there has a truck.
Thats because gasoline is so outrageously expensive (5-8$ per imperial gallon).
They use high grade diesel in europe, but most of the vehicles there are little cars that get 50-65 MPG. Nobody there has a truck.
Going by this observation, it doesn't make any sense that they've all got highly efficient diesels and we're still stuck on trying to squeeze 14MPG out of a gasoline truck engine.
By default, shouldn't WE have the better engines?
DISCLAIMER: I'm not trying to offend any of our European FTE members, I'm just trying to make a point.
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Originally posted by mattsbox99
Everybody complains that the price of a new vehicle is so high. Then there was the thread about going back to the basics, and now we want diesels.
The diesel engine increases the price of the vehicle. So much in fact that it would take an amount of time greater than the life of the vehicle in regards to fuel savings.
Diesel engines are more costly to repair, and turbos require special use. There are barely enough diesel mechanics to work on the trucks that we have now, imagine what it would be like to have that many more engines on the road.
Right now we have low grade, high sulphur diesel fuel on the market, and its cheap enough to keep so many farmers and ranchers and fledgling trucking companies in business. If we start building light car and truck diesels, we are going to need higher grade, low sulphur diesel fuel, and that is expensive. So much in fact that our diesel would go from $.90 per gallon (nontax) to well over $2 per gallon. I don't think that there is a significant market for a full scale production V6/V8/I5-6 diesel engine in light duty trucks, the trucks can't handle that kind of towing to begin with, and when you got all done you would have the weight and ride of a 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck anyway, and now the cost would be the same.
Its just plain not feasible, Ford, GM, and Dodge all know this.
Everybody complains that the price of a new vehicle is so high. Then there was the thread about going back to the basics, and now we want diesels.
The diesel engine increases the price of the vehicle. So much in fact that it would take an amount of time greater than the life of the vehicle in regards to fuel savings.
Diesel engines are more costly to repair, and turbos require special use. There are barely enough diesel mechanics to work on the trucks that we have now, imagine what it would be like to have that many more engines on the road.
Right now we have low grade, high sulphur diesel fuel on the market, and its cheap enough to keep so many farmers and ranchers and fledgling trucking companies in business. If we start building light car and truck diesels, we are going to need higher grade, low sulphur diesel fuel, and that is expensive. So much in fact that our diesel would go from $.90 per gallon (nontax) to well over $2 per gallon. I don't think that there is a significant market for a full scale production V6/V8/I5-6 diesel engine in light duty trucks, the trucks can't handle that kind of towing to begin with, and when you got all done you would have the weight and ride of a 3/4 ton or 1 ton truck anyway, and now the cost would be the same.
Its just plain not feasible, Ford, GM, and Dodge all know this.
bear with me for a second here.....if our highly subsidized farmers start growing grapeseed crops, and americans start to like diesels (the reason more cars are NOT, americans dont like them...) we could nearly eliminate our dependance on foriegn oil. biodiesel in case your wondering... no mo gub-mint subsidizing our farmers, raising our GDP, as we would ultimately be high producers of diesel fuel (and thus, exporters), and ZERO sulphur! as a result, we would actually pay less for fuel....now i sound like some quasi-enviromentalist... lmao!
anyhoo, my thoughts on the subject.
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Originally posted by mattsf250
biodiesel in case your wondering... no mo gub-mint subsidizing our farmers, raising our GDP, as we would ultimately be high producers of diesel fuel (and thus, exporters), and ZERO sulphur! as a result, we would actually pay less for fuel....now i sound like some quasi-enviromentalist... lmao!
anyhoo, my thoughts on the subject.
biodiesel in case your wondering... no mo gub-mint subsidizing our farmers, raising our GDP, as we would ultimately be high producers of diesel fuel (and thus, exporters), and ZERO sulphur! as a result, we would actually pay less for fuel....now i sound like some quasi-enviromentalist... lmao!
anyhoo, my thoughts on the subject.
Obviously, we have a way to go before Biodiesel gets that cheap, but it'll happen sooner or later.
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