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Old Apr 16, 2022 | 04:00 PM
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5th wheel and goose neck puts weight on the whole truck.

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Are HSFS and SP springs interchangeable with each other given exactly the same trucks?

Been trying to get a handle on this, whether the 2 are identical to each other (as far as the springs go)
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Old Apr 16, 2022 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by GG386
Are HSFS and SP springs interchangeable with each other given exactly the same trucks?

Been trying to get a handle on this, whether the 2 are identical to each other (as far as the springs go)
Identical in what way? The heavy service front springs are 1 up from whatever the truck would otherwise come with. So a truck that would come standard with 5200 springs would get 5600 springs with the HSFS. Snow plow bumps up the spring rate even higher, that same truck would get 5990 springs with the snow plow prep.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2022 | 06:44 PM
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And you have a gas motor, low option, super cab.

I am pretty sure the OP is in a crew cab diesel lariat 4x4 to pull his 16k trailer. Pretty typical but is welcome to chime in more detail.

And since I have had that same truck and would gooseneck at 15k regularly I would suggest the heavy service front springs. Will give a margin of safety and not bottom out.
Bottom out? Is that a thing with diesels? I had my front suspension loaded to within a couple hundred lbs of its rated max and never did it bottom out and that plow hanging out 3-4 feet in front of the truck sure try's. I can't imagine a truck with even more margin and the weight mostly in the rear ever having a bottoming out problem. I guess everybody worries about different things. This though, doesn't really seem like a real problem.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2022 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 4wd6.7L
Identical in what way? The heavy service front springs are 1 up from whatever the truck would otherwise come with. So a truck that would come standard with 5200 springs would get 5600 springs with the HSFS. Snow plow bumps up the spring rate even higher, that same truck would get 5990 springs with the snow plow prep.
Maybe the answer he is looking for is that YES, you can swap front springs to the version you want regardless of where you started. You can install heavier or lighter front springs pretty easily. I think it was mentioned the range from about 4200 lbs up to 5990 for a snow plow prep diesel.
 
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Old Apr 16, 2022 | 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by 4wd6.7L
Identical in what way? The heavy service front springs are 1 up from whatever the truck would otherwise come with. So a truck that would come standard with 5200 springs would get 5600 springs with the HSFS. Snow plow bumps up the spring rate even higher, that same truck would get 5990 springs with the snow plow prep.

Well there you go...exactly what I was looking for even with a poorly worded question provided
Good to know the sp springs will bear more weight, my shop 350 w/hsfs struggles sometimes when the roof racks really get loaded up
 
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Old Apr 16, 2022 | 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by RidgwaySD
Bottom out? Is that a thing with diesels? I had my front suspension loaded to within a couple hundred lbs of its rated max and never did it bottom out and that plow hanging out 3-4 feet in front of the truck sure try's. I can't imagine a truck with even more margin and the weight mostly in the rear ever having a bottoming out problem. I guess everybody worries about different things. This though, doesn't really seem like a real problem.
Yeah I have bottomed out my springs in my old cummins personal truck when it was stock (went to a full thuren system) and an older powerstroke work truck.
 
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Old Apr 17, 2022 | 06:58 AM
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Such a super-cheap upgrade with no ride affects. Then of course, there is the front lift that really makes the look, and a little insurance that there won’t be any sagging with age.

 
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Old Apr 17, 2022 | 07:13 AM
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About 1" front height is added. It's a bit stiffer when empty. I drove two back to back and there is a difference in stiffness but not a huge difference IMO. I have read the difference feels much greater on gas engine trucks b/c the engine is lighter but I have (and test drove) diesel so no personal experience.

Front end wander is worse b/c there is less caster. Adding caster shims makes a huge improvement, at least it did for me.
 
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Old Apr 17, 2022 | 07:16 AM
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Front end wander? Disagree.
Its a very slight spring difference on a 350.
I don’t think I’ve driven a more stable, sure footed vehicle on and kind of surface, empty or towing heavy. No sag, no sway and very sure footed and road gripping around any corner.
We’re you driving an F-450 wide track? There is a natural wander due to the wide track tracking out of normal tire paths.
 
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Old Apr 17, 2022 | 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by George C
Front end wander? Disagree.
Its a very slight spring difference on a 350.
I don’t think I’ve driven a more stable, sure footed vehicle on and kind of surface, empty or towing heavy. No sag, no sway and very sure footed and road gripping around any corner.
We’re you driving an F-450 wide track? There is a natural wander due to the wide track tracking out of normal tire paths.
I drove both back to back. Both were F-250's with the HCTTP. I do think the one w/o plow springs had adaptive steering so maybe that was the difference but it definitely felt less wandery up front. But I liked the way the truck w/ plow springs drove a bit better w/ the firmer feeling front, it felt more planted, so that's what I bought. Carli Caster shims (20 minute install) followed by an alignment and it tracks very straight now despite any road crown. Within the limits of a big solid axle truck it drives very nicely now.
 
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