Engine & Trans Matchup Question
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Engine & Trans Matchup Question
I have a 1963 F100 that has original 292 Y block mated to a Warner T98 4spd. I have pulled both the engine and trans to have some machine work done to the engine, and do a freshen up on the trans. I have yet to get the motor apart, so Im not sure what I’ll find, but I have had the idea that if the engine is going ti be too expensive to save, I may op for a 302 or 351W. I would like to keep the same trans, so my question is: Are there any bellhousing or bellhousing adapters that can be used to bolt the 302/351 to the T98? So far, all I have found is an adapter to mount a Jeep T98 to the SBF. Are the Jeep and Ford T98s the same or was the jeep T98 different?
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
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If you go to a different type of motor, you will need different engine mounts too. If replacing with a newer motor, it maybe easier and cheaper, to swap in a T-18 or T-19,
instead of getting an adapter plate.
instead of getting an adapter plate.
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The engine mounts seem to be fairly cheap as far as I can tell for the SBF. I havent priced out a T18/19. The adapters that I found are around $450 I think.
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Lots of T-18 info here: https://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledg...anual/t18-t19/
If I were you, and I was not doing a restoration, I would look for a 302 or 351W with the transmission still attached. The purchase price of a running truck should be less than the cost of a rebuild. I'd avoid the 351M, but that's just me.
Eric
If I were you, and I was not doing a restoration, I would look for a 302 or 351W with the transmission still attached. The purchase price of a running truck should be less than the cost of a rebuild. I'd avoid the 351M, but that's just me.
Eric
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Lots of T-18 info here: https://www.novak-adapt.com/knowledg...anual/t18-t19/
If I were you, and I was not doing a restoration, I would look for a 302 or 351W with the transmission still attached. The purchase price of a running truck should be less than the cost of a rebuild. I'd avoid the 351M, but that's just me.
Eric
If I were you, and I was not doing a restoration, I would look for a 302 or 351W with the transmission still attached. The purchase price of a running truck should be less than the cost of a rebuild. I'd avoid the 351M, but that's just me.
Eric
On the trans note: If I am understanding it correctly, the difference between the Ford and Jeep T98’s/18/19 is the input shaft splines? The adapters that I haw found come in 2 sizes for different splines, so if I ended up going that route, would I just need to get the adapter for the correct spline?
But, as you said, that may just end up being determined by how much a engine vs an engine with a trans is.
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The splines are what connects the input shaft, to the clutch disk. The end of the input shaft rides in a bearing or bushing in the end of the flywheel,( I'm not sure if it extends into the end of the crankshaft). The adapter plate allows you to bolt a transmission to a bell housing or bellhousing to block, on set ups where the mounting bolts don't line up. At least that is my understanding, from reading and you tube vids.
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The splines are what connects the input shaft, to the clutch disk. The end of the input shaft rides in a bearing or bushing in the end of the flywheel,( I'm not sure if it extends into the end of the crankshaft). The adapter plate allows you to bolt a transmission to a bell housing or bellhousing to block, on set ups where the mounting bolts don't line up. At least that is my understanding, from reading and you tube vids.
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I have a 1963 F100 that has original 292 Y block mated to a Warner T98 4spd. I have pulled both the engine and trans to have some machine work done to the engine, and do a freshen up on the trans. I have yet to get the motor apart, so Im not sure what I’ll find, but I have had the idea that if the engine is going ti be too expensive to save, I may op for a 302 or 351W. I would like to keep the same trans, so my question is: Are there any bellhousing or bellhousing adapters that can be used to bolt the 302/351 to the T98? So far, all I have found is an adapter to mount a Jeep T98 to the SBF. Are the Jeep and Ford T98s the same or was the jeep T98 different?
Thanks in advance!
Thanks in advance!
The T18 bolts to the bell with a rectangular pattern, introduced in 1965.
The later T18 will be wide enough to accomodate the narrow pattern, but the T98 is too narrow to accomodate the wide rectangular pattern.
Forget a Jeep or other box and look for a Ford box. If you don't need the low first, shop for a T19.
Beware car bellhousings which are sometimes the wrong depth for truck transmissions. Measure twice etc.
3 on the tree trucks will have the bell you need, iirc.
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Your T98 bolts to the bell with a "square" bolt pattern.
The T18 bolts to the bell with a rectangular pattern, introduced in 1965.
The later T18 will be wide enough to accomodate the narrow pattern, but the T98 is too narrow to accomodate the wide rectangular pattern.
Forget a Jeep or other box and look for a Ford box. If you don't need the low first, shop for a T19.
Beware car bellhousings which are sometimes the wrong depth for truck transmissions. Measure twice etc.
3 on the tree trucks will have the bell you need, iirc.
The T18 bolts to the bell with a rectangular pattern, introduced in 1965.
The later T18 will be wide enough to accomodate the narrow pattern, but the T98 is too narrow to accomodate the wide rectangular pattern.
Forget a Jeep or other box and look for a Ford box. If you don't need the low first, shop for a T19.
Beware car bellhousings which are sometimes the wrong depth for truck transmissions. Measure twice etc.
3 on the tree trucks will have the bell you need, iirc.
Thanks for the info!
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Again I say: Just like me to take the path of most resistance. Seems like if I have to go the new engine route, I’ve got a lot of figuring out to do. Guess I have to learn on something! Bought this truck to learn stuff on and take my first attempt at a resto! I do think that I should be able to salvage the old Y (though many have said not to [again, just like me 🤷♂️]), so hopefully I wont end up having to play musical bellhousings!
Thanks for the info!
Thanks for the info!
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