Well, at least you're starting to come around, maybe there's still hope for you.

To me, this issue has just become one of those urban legends - like the guy with the summer sausage taped to his leg - there is little or no basis in fact to the arguments. To illustrate my point, reread the last couple of posts - need I say more?

If you don't want to use Fram filters, that's great. I'm sure Wix greatly appreciates your business. But don't expect to make ridiculous unsubstantiated statements without being challenged on them.

Actually, I prefer a backhoe, but I guess it depends on the size of your trench.

 

And I'm sure there are people who have been smoking dope for 20 years and haven't died yet, does that mean that it's good for you??? All I know is what the fram filters did to one of my vehicles, whether or not you believe it does not concern me. If you want to continue to use the worst filters available, IMO, then by all means do so.

Some people never learn until they've been bitten. Even then they blame it on something else.

 

Excellent point - you should reread your posts with this in mind. That was my point all along, but I guess subtlety doesn't work with you.

 

When the valve lifter ticking IMMEDIATELY started right after the installation of the Fram filter, when it was using a Motorcraft before and working fine with that, gee, I wonder what's causing it? Maybe the muffler belt!

I'm done with this thread.

 

Well, if that was the case, why did you drive the truck for years in that condition and with the same supposedly defective filter? Did it ever occur to you to try to figure out why you had valvetrain noise? It is just stupid to blame your oil filter for your bad decisions. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out!

 

I think we can all agree that Fram is crap. After that, most others are fairly decent. If you do think that Fram is good, then I have a '78 Pinto to sell you.

 

I don't think so...

How much you want for the Pinto?

On EDIT: Why are you using that FIPK - don't you know you'll dust your motor when you use that? Honest - check the posts.

 

Are you kidding? Check the posts, check the research and check the test results of how bad Fram filters really are.

As far as the Pinto goes, it is the biggest joke to come out of Detroit. (Along with the Bronco II, Mustang II, Fairmont, etc.) The late 70's and almost all of the 80's was a dark period for Ford engineering.

The FIPK does a fine job of adding power to the top end and the issue that most have is with the filter, not the entire kit. If most enthusiasts can use a K&N type filter so can I. I can imagine though, using a Fram Oil Filter would help "dust" the engine.

 

Here is my question to everyone. Why spend say $33,000 on a powerstroke and get the good motor and the extended cab and 4x4 which is all an excellent choice Oppy, wish I had that truck but then go and buy the filter for $3.99. If you can spend the money get the better filters (Purolator, Wix, Napa Gold) From an engineering stand point and research they are better, look at the numbers and the posts.

 

willie - I was being facetious (look it up). You and rusty really gotta lighten up!

I hate to admit it, but I have always kinda liked the Pinto - guess you had to be driving in the "dark period" to appreciate it. I actually owned a Mustang II...

If you could point out some actual research, I'd be glad to take a look at it, but don't even think that BS "oil filter study" even remotely resembles research.

erik - thank you for the compliment, I do like my truck!

As far as your argument goes, first of all, the PH3786 filter that fits the Power Stroke costs nine bucks and is built as well as any oil filter I have seen. It is easily as good as or better than the Motorcraft 1995. Check it out, you might be surprised.

But beyond that, for me to agree with you, I would have to agree with your premise that Fram spends less on research and engineering than Purolator, and I don't. There are no numbers that support your claim - check Fram's website, they use terms like "single pass and multi-pass efficiency" ratings, not "we have steel end caps so we're obviously better". If there's some objective, scientific data out there, I'd really like to see it.

For me, it boils down to maintenance. I have had a great deal of success in this regard over the years. Check my posts - I still drive a truck (a Chebby no less) with well over 200k on it, and another with almost 200k. I have never, never - let me restate this - never - had an engine problem of any kind (other than maintenance stuff like water pumps, etc.) with any of my vehicles(even the ones from the "dark period"). I must be doing something right, don't you think?

That's really been my point all along. There's nothing wrong with Fram filters. There are better ones I agree, but a properly maintained vehicle will die a natural death long before the difference in oil filters plays a role.

 

Frankly, I'd rather have a Pinto (with retrofit fuel tank improvements) than any of the wrong-wheel-drive stuff cluttering up the road today. (I know I am going to draw flack for that statement, but I am highly biased--so be it.) I could get a nice cast iron iron (block and head), pushrod 4-banger, stick-shifted Pinto and have a blast whipping around town. As for Fram I used them for 15 years on my '84 F150 and don't recall any problems. But a lot of negative talk has scared me off from them. I feel pretty good about using Purolator and Motorcraft (even at $3.98), though, so I will stick with them for now.

OK, so we don't clutter up the thread with off post, hold the flack on wrong-wheel-drive as I am not going to respond to it anyway. As I said I am biased and I don't have to defend that!

 

Yes I know what facetious means and I was being the same.

Like I said earlier in this thread, to each his own. I will NEVER use Fram and that is my personal conviction through research and experience.

America is so wonderful, that we have a large choice in oil filters to decide over. OIL FILTERS! Is there anything more rediculous to argue over?

And yes, I too drove during the "dark period" and it was awful. Of course now we can have the pleasure of driving Kia Rios, but that is another subject entirely.

 

FRAM X-2 filters use the metal end caps on the filter media. all other fram filters use CARDBOARD. THE PLASTIC VALVE IS IN ALL OF THEM. MY ADVICE.. ANYTHING BUT FRAM...

 

We used to stand by fram and mobil oil. When ever we started our chebbie the lifters would knock, we figured its a chevy, it how they run. The motor took a dumb in it, we lost oil pressure, and then spun a rod bearing, the fram filter had colapsed and the by-pass did not work, so bye-bye 350. We found another engine to throw in it, now we use wix filters, and they have exellent anti-drainback valve, we can start it in the middle of winter and no knocking. I was wonduring if mobil is a good oil or not, we have used it for years, keeping our engines nice and clean on the inside, but some people say mobil is junk, why?

 

Probably because they're AMSOIL dealers, LOL!