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Old Aug 4, 2019 | 12:30 PM
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But, but, but, the Subies come standard with all time AWD no matter how it's optioned. That was actually my main point, I should have been more clear. To get a 4WD Escape, it's expensive and requires a higher trim level. This is how Ford generates money and the reverse is how Subaru generates loyalty.
 
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Old Aug 4, 2019 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by tseekins
But, but, but, the Subies come standard with all time AWD no matter how it's optioned. That was actually my main point, I should have been more clear. To get a 4WD Escape, it's expensive and requires a higher trim level. This is how Ford generates money and the reverse is how Subaru generates loyalty.
Ah. I read that, but it didn't sink in that you were alluding to a deeper complication.

Yeah, this game of upcharging for a bunch of stuff you don't want is for the birds. I've heard that Jeep can special order exactly the options you want (and only the options you want), it's just a matter of finding someone who knows the system and is willing to do it. A shame that more automakers won't allow you to easily build what you want, while not wasting money on stuff you don't want.
 
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Old Aug 10, 2019 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by PrescottIce
Ah. I read that, but it didn't sink in that you were alluding to a deeper complication.

Yeah, this game of upcharging for a bunch of stuff you don't want is for the birds. I've heard that Jeep can special order exactly the options you want (and only the options you want), it's just a matter of finding someone who knows the system and is willing to do it. A shame that more automakers won't allow you to easily build what you want, while not wasting money on stuff you don't want.
"it's just a matter of finding someone who knows the system and is willing to do it". That has always been the case when buying a new car. The problem is with the dealers, they are the real customers as far as the factory is concerned. The dealers buy what they can sale fastest. The don't want to order a car for you because they have to "buy it" before you pay for it. Special order cars are the last one's to "Bucked" on the line. All the other cars are all ready paid for buy the dealers bank. Your special order has to get funding before the order is approved. The dealers want you to buy what's on the lot.
 
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Old Aug 10, 2019 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by tseekins
But, but, but, the Subies come standard with all time AWD no matter how it's optioned. That was actually my main point, I should have been more clear. To get a 4WD Escape, it's expensive and requires a higher trim level. This is how Ford generates money and the reverse is how Subaru generates loyalty.
You can get 4WD on a stripper Escape SE--that would come in at $26,990 plus destination, minus rebates and discounts. But like regular cab F150 XL's (at $31,990 plus destination in 4WD less rebates and discounts), you will never find one on a dealer lot
 
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Old Sep 30, 2019 | 05:59 PM
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Sounds like we might find out something about he Bronco at a reveal of the baby "yet to be named rugged off road small utility" in NOV.

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Old Sep 30, 2019 | 09:16 PM
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I don’t really expect a full reveal when we haven’t even seen camouflaged Bronco’s on the road.
 
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Old Oct 1, 2019 | 02:40 AM
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I don’t really expect a full reveal when we haven’t even seen camouflaged Bronco’s on the road.
They seem confused about which vehicle will be debuted. Like you, I find it hard to believe the Bronco will be revealed over a year before availability, and we know the baby is supposed to come out first. If they are planning on using the name or branding though, it will be absolutely necessary to say some things and probably show imagery of the real Bronco at a reveal for a related Bronco-[fill-in-the-blank] model.
 
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https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.moto...mber-2019/amp/

little snippit here saying ford is denying the bronco being revealed at la auto show. As we figured. Probably see something about the escape based one though.
 
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