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It looks like it (301444) wants 9.5 to 1 compression, that's why I asked. But I don't understand cams and duration and that stuff. I'm not sure what a stock 292 Y-block is, maybe 8 to 1 on a good day. Mine measures 150 psi compression across the board so that's probably about right. At one time I had an extra engine could have built up, but I didn't have the room to keep it.
It looks like it (301444) wants 9.5 to 1 compression, that's why I asked. But I don't understand cams and duration and that stuff. I'm not sure what a stock 292 Y-block is, maybe 8 to 1 on a good day. Mine measures 150 psi compression across the board so that's probably about right. At one time I had an extra engine could have built up, but I didn't have the room to keep it.
G heads on a 292 are 9 to 1 + .060 over bore raises it a little. I don't understand a lot of it either, I'm just a shade tree mechanic.
There's not much point in hopping up the cam on any engine without a complimentary increase in compression. That is not just a Y-Block thing. It's a 4-stroke pushrod engine, like any other and follows the same rules.
A factory 312 with G heads is the best case scenario for compression. It might barely reach 9:1 depending on how the tolerances worked out during machining. Odds are that it will be just under 9:1. Best case for a factory 292 is about 8.5:1 and the trend lower will continue with the smaller variants. The only way to get above 9:1 in most cases will be the use of domed pistons although at some point displacement alone is enough to increase compression sufficiently. The compression figures that Ford advertised, in many cases, did not take into consideration the gasket volume and the fact that the pistons were below the deck, both factors that decrease the compression figure.
Dang I had no idea about comp, had several guys I know that used to drag praise them; but I guess that was from engines they built 10-20 years ago. I have heard good things about isky I’ll give them more of a look. Appreciate the help.
Comp cams should be fine. Ran one in my ‘70 F-100 for 20 years until our current rebuild. People love to be contrarian.
Comp cams should be fine. Ran one in my ‘70 F-100 for 20 years until our current rebuild. People love to be contrarian.
IMHO, of course, the “McDonald’s environment” of which operate.... and remember Harvey Cranes son went to work for them way prior to the sale to the Private Equity Investment group to address the cyclic QA issues...... he left.:
Specifically concerning the Y-block, it has been found that quite a few grinders use an incorrect lifter bank angle when grinding cams. This poses a problem should you ever want to install the cam advanced or retarded and would pose a problem for many people because most don't even check and simply installing a cam as is, however it may end up when all of the tolerances add up. This has the effect of making the timing slightly different between the two banks and can present issues with tuning and with overall performance. Comp is one of those grinders and when informed by one of the best Y Block builders, seemed not to care. Even if they may be good for other engines, steer clear of them for a Y-Block.
Completely agree ^^^^^^ Especially with the Y-Blocks and flatheads.... best to stick with the well-known, successful family type cam grinders that have been around for decades.
It looks like the OP's concerns have already been addressed, but I would like to add a couple of things: unless you are just after the wow factor of running 3 x2s, you'll be happier with an OEM 57 ECZ-B, Mummert, or Blue Thunder intake manifold and a single 4-barrel carburetor between 465 and 600 cfm/w vacuum secondaries. Ted Eaton routinely opens up the plenum/carburetor base of the ECZ-B to two ovals, does minor relief porting at the plenum-to-runner transitions, and mills the carburetor base flat. He just did mine for $75. The Mummert and Blue Thunder aluminum intake manifolds are comparable in performance; however, the Blue Thunder has the heat crossover for the choke (not needed for carburetors with manual/electric choke) and is considerably more expensive. Ted Eaton (eatonbalancing.com) recommends Topline Hylift Johnson lifters for Y-blocks. He said that Isky's lifters are made by Hylift Johnson. A Clay Smith representative also confirmed that their lifters are made by Hylift Johnson. A Hylift Johnson rep. confirmed that the Comp Cams Y-block lifters are also made by them, but that might have changed during the last couple of years since it was confirmed.
As it's already been said, posting the camshaft duration numbers @ .050 lift will be more helpful than the advertised duration numbers. The LSA (Lobe Separation Angle) should be included as well.
Even with a zero-deck block, flat-top pistons, and ECZ-G heads (69 cc nominal chambers), your static compression ratio won't be more than 9:1. You can increase the SCR by milling the heads, but most "G" heads aren't "posted." Unless they are posted, they should not be milled more than .025. Also keep in mind that it's the DCR (Dynamic compression Ratio) that determines whether your engine will require 87, 91, or higher octane to prevent detonation. The more duration the cam has, the lower your DCR will be. For 91 unleaded, you'll want to Keep the DCR at/below 8:1. UEM has a good static and dynamic compression ratio calculator, but you'll need the rod length and IVC (intake valve closing) number @ .020 lift to determine the DCR. A later IVC will lower the DCR.
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