Notices
General Automotive Discussion

I know this isn't the Chevy/GM forums...

 
  #1  
Old 07-12-2019, 02:14 PM
fortheford
fortheford is offline
Senior User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 120
fortheford is starting off with a positive reputation.
I know this isn't the Chevy/GM forums...

Still lots of people here, like myself, that like to keep current about what's happening in the truck market. So figured I'd ask because I can't find the answer ... how is Chevy/GM creating a new GVWR of 11,500lbs for a "3/4 ton" truck and somehow (dodging? solving/avoiding?) the 10,000lb GVWR class 2 DOT restriction? Or are they? Or am I completely off base thinking this is even an issue... I guess I'm confused because I have been a believer that the 3/4T (regardless of manufacturer) has always been a paper/sticker rating - not a physical rating. Looking for example at current F-250 6.7L, the FAWR is 5000lbs and RAWR is 6200lbs (at least it is on my '19), giving 11,200lbs (even OEM 18" tires are 3400lbs capacity/ea). So what's the angle/trick/change of the 2020 Chevy/GM 2500 that Ram/Ford haven't done?
 
  #2  
Old 07-12-2019, 03:19 PM
Kaadk
Kaadk is offline
Senior User
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 316
Kaadk is starting off with a positive reputation.
Maybe I missed it, but I haven't seen any official GM documentation that says they're increasing the GVWR, just documents that they're increasing the GCWR:

https://plants.gm.com/media/us/en/ch...2020.tab1.html
https://www.gmc.com/gmc-life/trucks/...rra-heavy-duty

These never mention the GVWR rating being changed.
 
  #3  
Old 07-12-2019, 04:39 PM
67L48's Avatar
67L48
67L48 is offline
Senior User
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Frederick, CO
Posts: 415
67L48 is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
It's a question better asked over at a Chevy/GM forum. Not being flippant. Just being realistic. Those guys know their trucks and manufacturer as well as we do ours.

But, also realize that you can get a Ford F-350 SRW, normally 11,500 lbs, with a 10,000/9,900 GVWR rating. So, there you go.
 
  #4  
Old 07-12-2019, 04:43 PM
JD'sBigredv10
JD'sBigredv10 is offline
Senior User
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Poway, CA
Posts: 315
JD'sBigredv10 has a good reputation on FTE.JD'sBigredv10 has a good reputation on FTE.
Funny that I literally just posted a thread on this same topic.

I don't think there is any official restriction that says "3/4 ton" (a fake designation) trucks must be Class 2 vehicles. I believe Ford assigns the 10,000 pound GVWR to the F-250 for marketing reasons. Why else would Ford offer trucks that are nearly identical mechanically but their GVWR differs by 1500 pounds? The only difference between my F-250 with the High Capacity Trailer Tow Package and a F-350 is a slightly different leaf spring configuration. I seriously doubt that the slight difference in deflection rates justifies the 1500 pound bump in GVWR/payload.

GM said screw it, and for 2020 will build certain 2500 trucks that are Class 3 vehicles with a GVWR and payload ratings that exceed a F-350. They will also build other 2500s that maintain their status as Class 2 trucks. Why? What is their strategy? I don't know the answer to that question?
 
  #5  
Old 07-12-2019, 05:21 PM
T diesel's Avatar
T diesel
T diesel is offline
Posting Guru
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Sterling, ct.
Posts: 1,881
T diesel has a very good reputation on FTE.T diesel has a very good reputation on FTE.T diesel has a very good reputation on FTE.T diesel has a very good reputation on FTE.
3:06
11:46
 
  #6  
Old 07-12-2019, 05:57 PM
Sport45's Avatar
Sport45
Sport45 is online now
Posting Guru
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Houston
Posts: 1,016
Sport45 is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
It's really no different than Ford putting out the F-450 with the same 14,000# max GVWR as the F-350. Is one really class 4 and the other class 3?
 
  #7  
Old 07-12-2019, 07:30 PM
UGA33's Avatar
UGA33
UGA33 is online now
Post Fiend
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Cartersville, Ga
Posts: 5,319
UGA33 has much to be proud ofUGA33 has much to be proud ofUGA33 has much to be proud ofUGA33 has much to be proud ofUGA33 has much to be proud ofUGA33 has much to be proud ofUGA33 has much to be proud ofUGA33 has much to be proud ofUGA33 has much to be proud of
I’m glad to see GM push the GVW up. Hopefully, this will force Ford to offer a higher GVW on the 350 SRW.
 
  #8  
Old 07-12-2019, 08:01 PM
Joe T
Joe T is online now
Posting Guru
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 1,300
Joe T is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.Joe T is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Good thing I got my 10,000 gvwr F250 already.
 
  #9  
Old 07-12-2019, 08:11 PM
ExxWhy's Avatar
ExxWhy
ExxWhy is online now
Postmaster
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Ohio
Posts: 3,485
ExxWhy has a superb reputationExxWhy has a superb reputationExxWhy has a superb reputationExxWhy has a superb reputationExxWhy has a superb reputationExxWhy has a superb reputationExxWhy has a superb reputationExxWhy has a superb reputationExxWhy has a superb reputationExxWhy has a superb reputationExxWhy has a superb reputation
I don't think many non commercial buyers care what class a vehicle is in. Perhaps it may be an issue with registration fees or insurance, dunno, never thought about it. Maybe that varies by state too.
 
  #10  
Old 07-12-2019, 08:56 PM
Joe T
Joe T is online now
Posting Guru
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 1,300
Joe T is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.Joe T is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Its nation wide, DOT rules.

Most of these trucks are commercial. Not all of them need over 10,000.
 
  #11  
Old 07-12-2019, 10:04 PM
Lariatdriver
Lariatdriver is offline
Senior User
Join Date: Jun 2018
Location: Nevada
Posts: 270
Lariatdriver is starting off with a positive reputation.
Originally Posted by Joe T View Post
Good thing I got my 10,000 gvwr F250 already.
So why would you be glad you have a less capable truck? Just curious. Should you buy a New GM you can always declare a 10,000# GVWR for your extra capable Silverado. Looks like companies are giving the consumer the choice of GVWR best for them.
 
  #12  
Old 07-12-2019, 10:11 PM
Stewart_H's Avatar
Stewart_H
Stewart_H is offline
The Nekkid Super Mod
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Central Coast of CA
Posts: 28,356
Stewart_H has a superb reputationStewart_H has a superb reputationStewart_H has a superb reputationStewart_H has a superb reputationStewart_H has a superb reputationStewart_H has a superb reputationStewart_H has a superb reputationStewart_H has a superb reputationStewart_H has a superb reputationStewart_H has a superb reputationStewart_H has a superb reputation
Sorry guys, not Super Duty related tech, so this discussion thread has to be moved over to the General Automotive Discussion forum.

Stewart
 
  #13  
Old 07-13-2019, 06:47 AM
Joe T
Joe T is online now
Posting Guru
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 1,300
Joe T is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.Joe T is gaining momentum as a positive member of FTE.
Originally Posted by Lariatdriver View Post
So why would you be glad you have a less capable truck? Just curious. Should you buy a New GM you can always declare a 10,000# GVWR for your extra capable Silverado. Looks like companies are giving the consumer the choice of GVWR best for them.
It does precisely what I need. Plenty capable.
 

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - About Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

© 2019 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands

We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.