Notices
1973 - 1979 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks Discuss the Dentsides Ford Truck
Sponsored by:
Sponsored by: Moser

compression issues?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 22, 2019 | 10:01 PM
  #16  
79Ford100's Avatar
79Ford100
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 12
Likes: 2
Thanks for all your input and suggestions. One question. When i go to rebuild should i use the same cam? I plan on using the same valves and i will just clean them up.

Thanks again to all.
Cheers
 
Reply
Old Jun 23, 2019 | 02:47 AM
  #17  
1TonBasecamp's Avatar
1TonBasecamp
Lead Driver
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Community Builder
Joined: Jul 2017
Posts: 9,580
Likes: 1,162
From: San Jose, CA
I would not assume you can use any old parts until you inspect them thoroughly first. Lots of small things can make a new part seem a better deal.
That includes the camshaft. It "might" be perfectly fine, or it might be thrashed for the same reasons that the rings are so spent. Maybe oil changes were not the PO's first priority. Maybe it was overheated a few too many times. Just too hard to tell until you pull it apart.

But speaking from my own experiences, where I kept the stock original cams in place, I would have been better off getting a new one.
I'm not saying you should go all radical race cam on yourself, and regret that and all the changes needed to keep it working well. Just saying a new tech mild stock replacement is usually a very good thing.
And you may find that it's absolutely necessary too, once you inspect the lobes and lifter bases.

When you did the compression checks did you do it with the throttle held wide open? If not, you got skewed readings.
I agree that those are not completely unexpected numbers for a '79 perhaps. But they are still kind of weak, and certainly not as consistent as you'd like to see. The numbers actually look pretty pitiful compared to other 302's and 5.0's, but hard to say what to expect from an old tired '79. Maybe there is a listing somewhere?
Not only a wide spread, but lower then one would hope for as well. Unless tested with the throttle closed, in which case they may be perfectly normal.
One might hope for more in the 110 to 120 psi range for all cylinders, but a lot depends on not only the static compression but the cam profile as well. An earlier truck version of the 302 ('71-'72-ish) would be in the 125 range (from my own experience), with a vacuum reading at idle of 20-21 hg.
What is your ignition timing set at? If it's too retarded you will get a weak vacuum. Oh, and at what altitude are you? Vacuum signals go down as you go higher. So that 13 might be due to a few things (including bad rings of course), but it's low in any book except on a high performance engine.
Even a cammed 302 should get at least 15 at sea level. That 13 is not enough to run a vacuum brake booster.

Has the engine been sitting for a long time and you're just now starting to drive it? Old tired engines can sometimes be saved by simply driving it regularly and a couple of oil changes with a flush to clean up some of the insides. As long as sludge deposits are not expected, a good oil additive/cleaner before (and sometimes after) an oil change can do wonders.

Now back to your lack of power from another angle. Sure, the engine might be weak (the numbers kind of indicate that) but what tire size do you have? Those 3.0 gears are not very friendly to power when you have taller tires and the engine is working twice as hard to get you rolling.
A stock '79 302 is not going to be a power house no matter what, but that's just another good reason to change the cam and the timing set to get better more modern performance. They were just experimenting with emissions controlling at that point, and were still learning a lot. A few years later that same engine had half again more power.

Good luck.

Paul
 
Reply
Old Jun 23, 2019 | 08:56 AM
  #18  
79Ford100's Avatar
79Ford100
Thread Starter
|
New User
Joined: Feb 2018
Posts: 12
Likes: 2
Paul, thanks for the comments. I'm running 15" tires. I live around 6800 feet above sea level so i would expect a 10% to 20% reduction in compression and vacuum. I did the compression test with the throttle wide open. Also, i did a tune-up (new plugs, wires, coil) during the winter and when i removed the plugs for the compression test i noticed the white insulators were very clean.

If i replace the cam can someone recommend one? I see prices from $60.00 on up. I assume they are all made by the same Chinese or Mexican factory. I think the price difference is someone in the US checked the specs on the expensive ones.

Thanks
 
Reply
Old Jun 23, 2019 | 09:26 AM
  #19  
caravaggio2000's Avatar
caravaggio2000
Laughing Gas
5 Year Member
Photogenic
Photoriffic
Liked
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 1,244
Likes: 12
I'd think getting a deeper look at what is going on with your engine would be in order before picking out a new cam.
 
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Johnblagg
1987 - 1996 F150 & Larger F-Series Trucks
2
Oct 14, 2010 04:17 PM
8525ford
Ford Inline Six, 200, 250, 4.9L / 300
36
Jul 21, 2010 03:44 PM
chadfitz
1999 - 2016 Super Duty
5
Apr 9, 2010 12:59 AM
tommyleea
1961 - 1966 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
3
Apr 29, 2008 09:12 PM
HawgDawg
FE & FT Big Block V8 (332, 352, 360, 390, 406, 410, 427, 428)
6
Feb 13, 2005 11:26 PM




All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:13 AM.

story-0
Top 10 Ford Truck Tragedies

Slideshow: Top 10 Ford truck tragedies.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-18 19:34:33


VIEW MORE
story-1
AEV FXL Super Duty - the Super Duty Raptor Ford Doesn't Make

And it might be even better than that.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-18 19:26:42


VIEW MORE
story-2
Lobo Vs Lobo: Proof the F-150 Lobo Should Be Even Lower!

Slideshow: Does lowering an F-150 Lobo RUIN the ride quality?

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-18 19:20:37


VIEW MORE
story-3
Ford's 2001 Explorer Sportsman Concept Looks For a New Home

Slideshow: Ford's bizarre fishing-themed Explorer concept has resurfaced after spending decades largely forgotten.

By Verdad Gallardo | 2026-05-12 18:07:46


VIEW MORE
story-4
10 Best Ford Truck Engines We Miss the Most!

Slideshow: The 10 best Ford truck engines we miss the most.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-12 13:09:47


VIEW MORE
story-5
2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road: Better Than a Raptor R?

Slideshow: first look at the 810 hp 2026 Shelby F-150 Off-Road!

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-12 12:50:07


VIEW MORE
story-6
2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package First Look: 12 Things You NEED to Know!

Slideshow: Everything You Need to Know about the 2027 Super Duty Carhartt Package!

By Michael S. Palmer | 2026-05-07 17:51:06


VIEW MORE
story-7
10 Most Surprising 2026 Ford Truck Features!

Slideshow: 10 most surprising Ford truck options/features in 2026.

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-05-05 11:17:22


VIEW MORE
story-8
Top 10 Ford Trucks Coming to Mecum Indy 2026

Slideshow: Here are the top 10 Fords coming to Mecum Indy 2026.

By Brett Foote | 2026-05-04 13:49:49


VIEW MORE
story-9
5 Best / 5 Worst Ford Truck Wheels of All Time

Slideshow: The 5 best and 5 worst Ford truck wheels of all time

By Joe Kucinski | 2026-04-29 16:49:01


VIEW MORE