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Old 03-12-2019, 01:04 PM
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Oil filter seemingly welded to the engine

Long time everyone! Life has been busy and working Dan to the bone. Last week I attempted an oil change and stuck at getting the filter off.

460 f250hd 4x4 with oil cooler. So that means it has that angled filter adapter with hoses running to the cooler in front of the radiator. Also means the lower radiator hose runs super close to the filter. Finally means a big PIA to get the filter off.

I went through the list of oil filter wrench types and last resort drilling some holes for eye bolts and screw driver to get this filter to break free. No luck.

I am left with removing the whole oil cooler and disconnecting the line so I can get it in a vice. After all that, I would like to remote mount the filter up in the engine bay. Any kits others have used they would like to recommend?
 
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James, the only other thing I can suggest is using your favorite penetrant (i.e. WD 40, PB Blaster, etc.) and soak it for a few days before removing the oil cooler. If you drilled holes in the oil filter to use eye bolts and a screw driver to remove it be careful that you don't split the oil filter apart. Good luck.
 
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Ram a large screwdriver through the filter and use that to break it free.

Barring that you have to pull the adapter or peel away the filter till to can chisel the top plate of the filter off the adapter.
When installing be sure to lube the gasket surface and just install hand snug, not tight just snug.
 
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Ram a large screwdriver through the filter and use that to break it free.

Barring that you have to pull the adapter or peel away the filter till to can chisel the top plate of the filter off the adapter.
When installing be sure to lube the gasket surface and just install hand snug, not tight just snug.
Didn't have the room for through the side of the filter. Going have to get in the vise. Even to get to that point it will be a bear.

I was taught to just finger tight and then 1/4 turn to snug it up.
 
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When spin-on filters are installed, it's hand tighten only. When the engine is started, it draws the filter up, tight to the adapter or engine block.

But if a wrench is used to install it, good luck removing it, and sometimes when a wrench is used, the filter will draw up, then split open, dumping the fluid on the ground.
 
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Old 03-12-2019, 04:13 PM
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Didn't have the room for through the side of the filter. Going have to get in the vise. Even to get to that point it will be a bear.

I was taught to just finger tight and then 1/4 turn to snug it up.
Yes that is acceptable also but you MUST lube the Oil filters gasket with motor oil or it will weld it;s self on..
 
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Old 03-12-2019, 05:03 PM
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Have you tried putting your best gorilla grip on it and GENTLY beating the ever loving snot out of it on the end with a wooden handle or light hammer? Percussive maintenance is the lost art of science, voodoo and frustration.
 
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You might also use heat on the oil filter. It might expand the metal and make the filter easier to remove. I don't know if I would use an acetylene torch on it but I would definitely heat it with a propane torch.
 
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They do get tighter after installation for whatever reason. If they are installed hand-tight, they can always be removed by hand, though be sure to eat yer Wheaties.

People who use tools and overtighten oil filters should be flogged.

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I might try the torch. My neighbor has a mechanic shop and our daughters are friends. Back up plan is to tow it over there with the tractor and have him go at it.
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We just got gifted my dad's 95 f250 5.8L so there is still a truck on the property. Probably is the start of Dan's restoration. Oil filter be damned!
 
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have you tried an oil filter wrench? what about a razer blade between the filter gasket and block. the gasket is the friction thats holding it in place. most of the time the oil filter wrench works for me in the shop.

ace once you defeat the friction it should come right off.
 
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I'm one of those guys that sometimes puts oil filters on WITH a tool, and haven't had an issue doing so for 30 years. Mind you, if you put one on with a tool, then you'll definitely need a tool to remove it. I don't do it every time, but if I can't get a good reach or good grip on it, I'll throw a wrench on it. NBD.

I've never seen one that couldn't be removed though. That bugger must be stuck badly. I've heard of people that left oil filters on long enough that they rusted through and started leaking...lol, but I've never seen one that wouldn't come off.
 
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Mind you, if you put one on with a tool, then you'll definitely need a tool to remove it.
Yabut it says right on the box of every oil filter made "handight + 1/4 turn". It's not necessary or desirable to overtorque them.
 
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Yabut it says right on the box of every oil filter made "handight + 1/4 turn". It's not necessary or desirable to overtorque them.
some times you dont have a choice.....
 
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I have used every tool Autozone has on the shelf lol. The metal and rubber strap wrenches. The sharp toothed jaws. The socket cap one. Then finally, the various screwdriver tricks. Biggest issue is there is either a cross member or hoses in every spot where you would get a decent grip on something. That is why I am looking at some remote filter mounting options. But not sure how complicated plumbing would be with an oil cooler (which I would like to keep).

I am waiting for some free time to get a torch under there and see if something can give then. But I agree, I have had tough filters before but usually the sharp toothed jaws work for me.
 

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