Starting a budget built 351w
#31
Ah ok, I mistook what was said then. I was talking about aftermarket heads are all adjustable stud mounts but some will accept non adjustable pedestal mounts as well. Thought you were expanding on that. I don't know about oem factory heads, all I know about them is they are non adjustable pedestal mount and then there is the adjustable stud mount. Don't have a ford with a stud mount rockers only pedestal and shaft mounted.
#32
Ah ok, I mistook what was said then. I was talking about aftermarket heads are all adjustable stud mounts but some will accept non adjustable pedestal mounts as well. Thought you were expanding on that. I don't know about oem factory heads, all I know about them is they are non adjustable pedestal mount and then there is the adjustable stud mount. Don't have a ford with a stud mount rockers only pedestal and shaft mounted.
#33
Most all Fords with the stud mounted rockers are non-adjustable also. Yes, there were a few rare oddballs but the ones most people will run into will be the ones you run down tight and then that's it. They make kits that you can use to convert them to adjustable. Usually they were a very tall nut, and then a set screw screws into the top of the nut. You adjust the tall nut till your lash is correct, then while you hold the nut with a wrench, you take a allen wrench and tighten the set screw down till it hits the top of the stud and jambs the nut tight.
#34
Most all Fords with the stud mounted rockers are non-adjustable also. Yes, there were a few rare oddballs but the ones most people will run into will be the ones you run down tight and then that's it. They make kits that you can use to convert them to adjustable. Usually they were a very tall nut, and then a set screw screws into the top of the nut. You adjust the tall nut till your lash is correct, then while you hold the nut with a wrench, you take a allen wrench and tighten the set screw down till it hits the top of the stud and jambs the nut tight.
The SBF's with adjustable lash were not rare or oddball most 4BBL 289's used mech lifters. And I would not exactly call the 4BBL 289 a rare or oddball engine.
Ford used a self locking distorted thread locknuts as the lock for mech lash on the non boss SBF's with screw in studs instead of press in studs.
You can adapt and stud mounted rocker to fully adjustable by installing a spacer between the fulcrum ball and the nut and using a lock nut. This will of course require changing the push rod length...
Below is a pic of the lock nuts Franklin was referring too.
#35
This article claims only 13,000 K code mustangs were built from 64 thru 67, out of 1.7 million. I am understanding the K-code would have gotten that solid lifter engine. I didn't do any research on any other Fords, but they probably put that engine in some other body style also. But I bet there were not that many made.
https://www.hemmings.com/blog/articl...ng-k-code-289/
https://www.hemmings.com/blog/articl...ng-k-code-289/
#36
This article claims only 13,000 K code mustangs were built from 64 thru 67, out of 1.7 million. I am understanding the K-code would have gotten that solid lifter engine. I didn't do any research on any other Fords, but they probably put that engine in some other body style also. But I bet there were not that many made.
https://www.hemmings.com/blog/articl...ng-k-code-289/
https://www.hemmings.com/blog/articl...ng-k-code-289/
#37
Well I was putting in new valve stem seals and cleaning/lapping the valves and it turns out the head is cracked between the intake and exhaust valve on cylinder 5. I'm going to need new heads.
If I can find a set of GT40 heads what other parts will I need to grab? Will I need the pushrods from the Explorer or can I re-use mine from the '92 F150, or will I just need to measure to find out? Will the stock springs on Explorer head work?
#38
That's why I hate to get used parts vs a rebuilt part.
If you have roller rockers already you should be fine running the pushrods you have as they should be around the same 6.2" length vs the 6.7" length Ive seen for flat tappet lifters. If you are changing the rockers out for a different ratio then you be best to get a pushrod length checker like I got and find what you need.
I might be able to get by with stock 6.2" or one size up but I am not running much stock of anything on my build unlike your use of factory GT40 heads and pedestal mount rockers.
If you have roller rockers already you should be fine running the pushrods you have as they should be around the same 6.2" length vs the 6.7" length Ive seen for flat tappet lifters. If you are changing the rockers out for a different ratio then you be best to get a pushrod length checker like I got and find what you need.
I might be able to get by with stock 6.2" or one size up but I am not running much stock of anything on my build unlike your use of factory GT40 heads and pedestal mount rockers.
#39
That's why I hate to get used parts vs a rebuilt part.
If you have roller rockers already you should be fine running the pushrods you have as they should be around the same 6.2" length vs the 6.7" length Ive seen for flat tappet lifters. If you are changing the rockers out for a different ratio then you be best to get a pushrod length checker like I got and find what you need.
I might be able to get by with stock 6.2" or one size up but I am not running much stock of anything on my build unlike your use of factory GT40 heads and pedestal mount rockers.
If you have roller rockers already you should be fine running the pushrods you have as they should be around the same 6.2" length vs the 6.7" length Ive seen for flat tappet lifters. If you are changing the rockers out for a different ratio then you be best to get a pushrod length checker like I got and find what you need.
I might be able to get by with stock 6.2" or one size up but I am not running much stock of anything on my build unlike your use of factory GT40 heads and pedestal mount rockers.
#40
But I would get the pushrod length checker like I did and maybe you might want to invest in some checking springs like below.
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/cca-4758-2
Get a pair for a few bucks and all you do is remove a intake and exhaust valve spring and you can easily open and close the valves with your intended lifter. Some people Ive read had issues with lifters trying to collapse rotating the engine over by hand which was effecting their valve train movement.
Another thing is put alittle black sharpie mark on the tip of the valve stem then rotate engine over a couple cycles by hand then check the pattern. I cant remember when you length and shorten the push rod off the top of my head but there is a lot of reference material out there.
#41
Thanks for your help.
#42
I remember seeing something like this once. I think it was that you were trying to center the wear pattern. If it was too far one way it meant longer pushrods and too far the other meant shorter. Don't remember which bit I'd think a checker would be easiest.
Thanks for your help.
Thanks for your help.
The soft valve springs for checking makes it easier so you don't have to worry about the lifter collapsing on you. Also will work great in my book as I have to clay the pistons as I don't know what pistons BluePrint uses on their 306 short block but AFR has recommendations for how much clearance you have to have between the 1.90" and 1.60" valves. So for me the softer springs will serve dual purpose for me.
#43
Stock 351W flat tappet pushords for fulcrum rockers will be what you need with the Gt40 heads on flat tappet cam.
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/...,push+rod,5648
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/...,push+rod,5648
#44
Stock 351W flat tappet pushords for fulcrum rockers will be what you need with the Gt40 heads on flat tappet cam.
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/...,push+rod,5648
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/...,push+rod,5648
I thought there might have been a difference but if not that would save him money and time from having to do checking to find the proper length.
I got a set of some Comp Cams 6.70" length pushrods at work came out of a 302 that some kid blew up by thinking it was a hotrod when all it had on it was just a pair of 351W heads on it lol. I kept them to save myself money but forgot his was a flat tappet engine where mine is going to be a roller.
At least I got some useable parts that I can sell/trade one day to recoup some of what I spent.
#45
The rocker arm pedestals are not taller/shorter on the GT40 heads than the earlier cast iron heads from Ford?
I thought there might have been a difference but if not that would save him money and time from having to do checking to find the proper length.
I got a set of some Comp Cams 6.70" length pushrods at work came out of a 302 that some kid blew up by thinking it was a hotrod when all it had on it was just a pair of 351W heads on it lol. I kept them to save myself money but forgot his was a flat tappet engine where mine is going to be a roller.
At least I got some usable parts that I can sell/trade one day to recoup some of what I spent.
I thought there might have been a difference but if not that would save him money and time from having to do checking to find the proper length.
I got a set of some Comp Cams 6.70" length pushrods at work came out of a 302 that some kid blew up by thinking it was a hotrod when all it had on it was just a pair of 351W heads on it lol. I kept them to save myself money but forgot his was a flat tappet engine where mine is going to be a roller.
At least I got some usable parts that I can sell/trade one day to recoup some of what I spent.