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Old 02-28-2019, 11:27 AM
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Maybe this topic has been discussed and I just can't find it through search feature. If so point me in the right direction.
We live in the desert side of eastern Washington in the Yakima area. We lucked into and purchased a 1965 f100 short fleet with 124,000 miles. I'm pretty confident it has the stock 352 with automatic transmission. It appears to have all original type 1 hubcaps and beauty rings, perforated headliner, chrome windshield ring etc. The truck is 99% rust free with minimal body work needed
In the glove box was the original Ford Truck Owner Identification sheet/card. This truck was purchased 3/17/65 from Irving Pahl Motors in Oroville California. On the card it has some numbers I'm curious about.
Next to Vehicle code is hand written (I believe) 115 f-100 H81 G A 8
Next to IGN & Door Key Number is FE 930
Vin # is F10DR662307
My goal is to restore/paint back to original standards. It was Navajo beige/white combo
My question is where do I look on truck to confirm it is original equipment? I would like to confirm original motor/tranny/carb etc.
Any feedback is appreciated.
 
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Old 02-28-2019, 02:30 PM
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Hello all,
Maybe this topic has been discussed and I just can't find it through search feature. If so point me in the right direction.

We live in the desert side of eastern Washington in the Yakima area. We lucked into and purchased a 1965 F100 short Styleside bed with 124,000 miles. I'm pretty confident it has the stock 352 with automatic transmission. It appears to have all original type 1 hubcaps and beauty rings, perforated headliner, chrome windshield ring etc. The truck is 99% rust free with minimal body work needed.

In the glove box was the original Ford Truck Owner Identification sheet/card. This truck was purchased 3/17/65 from Irving Pahl Motors in Oroville California. On the card it has some numbers I'm curious about.

Next to Vehicle code is hand written (I believe) 115 F100 H81 G A8 See below:

Next to IGN & Door Key Number is FE930. When decoded, the original door/ignition key 5 cuts are defined.

Vin # is F10DR662307

My goal is to restore/paint back to original standards. It was Navajo beige/white combo. My question is where do I look on truck to confirm it is original equipment? I would like to confirm original motor/tranny/carb etc.
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Numbers matching is a GM thing. There is no way to know...by now...if the engine/trans and etc is original to your truck.

Ford = Styleside, a fleetside is a Chevrolet.

Warranty Plate riveted to the left door face below the latch. 1st line is the Warranty Number (VIN): F10DR662307

2nd line: WB (wheelbase in inches): 115 / COLOR: not noted on owners card, tutone has two codes / MODEL: F100 / BODY: H81 / TRANS: G / AXLE: A8

3rd line: Max GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating in lbs): 05000 / Certified net HP: 172 / RPM: 4000 / DSO: 72

None of the 3rd line is noted on owners card, but what I typed should be correct based on the '65 F100 that I bought new in March 1965! (my DSO was different: 71 - Los Angeles).

F10 = F100 2WD

D = 352 2V

R = San Jose CA Assembly Plant.

662307 = 1965.

115" Wheelbase.

COLOR: ??

F100 2WD, 5,000 lbs. GVWR

H81: H = Palomino crinkle all vinyl - Bucket Seats // 81 = 81B Custom Cab with Ranger package.

G = MX Cruise-O-Matic.

A8: Spicer/Dana 44 Rear Axle / 3.54-1 / Limited Slip / 3,300 lbs. Rear Axle Capacity.

5,000 lbs. Gross Vehicle Weight Rating.

172 net HP @ 4,000 RPM

72 = San Jose (NorCal) Ford District Sales Office, where the original selling dealer ordered the truck from.

Note: Are you sure it's Oroville CA? There is also an Oroville in WA
 
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What a find!! I guess there's some benefit to living in the middle of nowhere (relatively speaking). Welcome to FTE and post some pictures!
 
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Irving Pahl Motors is listed here. If it's accurate then CA seems right. Very cool truck. I bought one of my 4x4s in the Yakima area (Selah) and it was bought from Pingrey Motors in Yakima and the other came from Wenatchee area and was bought from Van Cleve Motors down near Mt Rainier, home of Jim Van Cleve Jr. these days.

https://www.vancleveford.net/our-heritage.htm

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Irving Pahl Motors is listed here. If it's accurate then CA seems right. Very cool truck. I bought one of my 4x4s in the Yakima area (Selah) and it was bought from Pingrey Motors in Yakima and the other came from Wenatchee area and was bought from Van Cleve Motors down near Mt Rainier, home of Jim Van Cleve Jr. these days.

https://www.vancleveford.net/our-heritage.htm

http://www.oneownercollectorcar.com/...rthern-dealers

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OP made no mention of the bucket seats, or the fact it's a Ranger. So I wonder if the buckets are still present.

Not knowing it's a Ranger is possible if the front fender emblem plastic inserts have faded away to nothing.

In May 2010, I drove east of the Cascades for the first time. I was surprised to see it's dry and desert like, reminded me of the Mohave Desert.

It's an old car lovers paradise! There are 100's of old cars/trucks/tractors sitting outside, plus I spotted an AC Mack 'bulldog' resting in a shed in Brewster along w/old farm equipment.
 
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Eastern Washington

For those that don't know eastern Washington is a desert and gets 8ish" of rain a year as apposed to Seattle side which gets 60-70". Also of interest is the Yakima area is the beer hops capitol of the world.
It is definitely Irving Pahl as the handwritten original owners card with original owners name is in glove box.
Notice on the door plate picture the color code is missing. Looking at the color on the tailgate is why I think it's White over Navajo. It has the perforated headliner and chrome trim.
The only two things I know for sure that aren't original is the seat which is out of a 1976 (so not sure if originally buckets) and the dual exhaust with the old thrush mufflers. It hasn't been licensed since 2005 and I talked to the owner who was the last to license it. He said previous owner had engine rebuilt to a 360 around 1995 when it had 90,000 or so miles on it.
Mechanically we are having the transmission serviced and the carb rebuilt. It actually runs and drives quite well. Just want to do some maintenence to it before really driving. The tag on the car says FoMoCo C5TF and it looks like C. Then under that it says B 5AD
The exterior trim is missing so not sure what badging came on it. Would like to put badging back on though so any input is appreciated. We have a good body/paint shop as you can see on the 55 in background. Really looking forward to this project.









 
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Yes the original purchase was from Irving Pahl. Have the original hand written warranty card with original owners name.
Seat is not stock and think it's out of 76. Seat seams fine but wouldn't mind putting it back to stock if possible.
Does anyone know if the red rims were stock?
Carb plate shows FoMoCo C5TF C and then under that B5 AD
Color isn't marked on tag as near as I can tell but both firewall and tailgate are original and look White over Navajo Beige.
Any other comments? My goal is to get it repainted to original and keep it stock.
 
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Post a pic of the Warranty Plate, riveted to the left door face below the latch.

All the emblems have been removed, there's no evidence any were there, so the truck was repainted.

EDIT: No COLOR code stamped on the Warranty Plate (it was not painted Navajo Beige/white), the truck was painted a non standard color per the original purchasers order.

The DSO code has 6 numbers that denote a Domestic Special Order.

Red wheels may have been specified, these were popular on many vehicles during the Korean War, when white walls tires were unavailable.

The tu-tone paint scheme (if one could call it that), does not match the original, and from what I can see of the seats, these are not buckets. Looks like a split bench from a '74/79 Super Cab

Rangers used the same bucket seats as 1965/66 Mustang. Upholstery is the same, as are the seat tracks and 'hockey stick' outer seat mouldings
 
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The truck was in the process of being sanded down and body work started. Previous owner was having two vehicles done at same time. He ran out of money and gave this one to the body shop guy to help pay for other vehicle.
Body shop sprayed it with primer to keep it from rusting. To help pay for other car body shop sold this one. Truck is complete minus exterior molding and emblems. The only thing that seems "warn" is both the window and door regulated round gear and the handles for both seem stripped.
ND, isn't that the warranty plate picture posted?
 
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The truck was in the process of being sanded down and body work started. Previous owner was having two vehicles done at same time. He ran out of money and gave this one to the body shop guy to help pay for other vehicle.
Body shop sprayed it with primer to keep it from rusting. To help pay for other car body shop sold this one. Truck is complete minus exterior molding and emblems. The only thing that seems "warn" is both the window and door regulated round gear and the handles for both seem stripped.
ND, isn't that the warranty plate picture posted?
I didn't see it originally, as I was looking at the pics by backing them up.

In 1977, I gave a pal who owned a body shop a nice all original '59 Galaxie ragtop in exchange for him fixing my rusty '57 Ranchero.

He had originally wanted the Ranchero in exchange for repainting the Galaxie. But I only had 500 bucks in the Galaxie and there was no way in hell I could restore the Ranchero for 500 bucks.
 
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F10DR662307 / WB: 115 / COLOR: Blank* / MODEL: F100 / BODY: H81 / TRANS: G / AXLE: A8 // Max GVW LBS: 05000 / Certified net HP: 172 / RPM: 4000 / DSO: 721488

F10 = F100 2WD

D = 352 2V

R = San Jose CA Assembly Plant.

662307 = 1965.

115" Wheelbase.

COLOR: Blank*

F100 2WD, 5,000 lbs. GVWR

H81: H = Palomino crinkle all vinyl - Bucket Seats // 81 = 81B Custom Cab with Ranger package.

G = MX Cruise-O-Matic.

A8: Spicer/Dana 44 Rear Axle / 3.54-1 / Limited Slip / 3,300 lbs. Rear Axle Capacity.

5,000 lbs. Gross Vehicle Weight Rating.

172 net HP @ 4,000 RPM

721488:

72 = San Jose (NorCal) Ford District Sales Office, where the original selling dealer ordered the truck from.

1488 = Domestic Special Order number, truck special ordered by the original purchaser, not "bought off the lot."
* When there is no COLOR code stamped on the Warranty Plate, truck painted a non standard color, making it a Domestic Special Order.

Info edited and added from pic of the Warranty Plate in post #6.
 
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I had the 3rd owner up to the house and he said when it was his the color of the truck was what was on the tailgate. So if color is not on warranty plate is it possible to find special order color? The firewall is still in great shape would you be able to identify if a picture is posted?
Rims were red when he bought it so it's possible they were original. Not in the pictures is the type 1 hubcaps and white inserts for the inner doors. I have them they just aren't mounted.
You are correct on seat. It came out of 76 and has the build sheet still in the springs. Sheet is so brittle it flakes when trying to pull it out.
Do you think this is a Ranger? If so I will look for some 65/66 mustang seats. Would it have had a center console even though auto is on the column?

You could probably write a book on all the classic cars you have had. Still have that Galaxie?
 
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I had the 3rd owner up to the house and he said when it was his the color of the truck was what was on the tailgate.

So if color is not on warranty plate is it possible to find special order color?
Nope.

The firewall is still in great shape would you be able to identify if a picture is posted?
What color was it? It wasn't from a truck, so...

Rims were red when he bought it so it's possible they were original. Not in the pictures is the type 1 hubcaps and white inserts for the inner doors. I have them they just aren't mounted.

You are correct on seat. It came out of 76 and has the build sheet still in the springs. Sheet is so brittle it flakes when trying to pull it out.

Do you think this is a Ranger? YES! BODY code says so. If so I will look for some 65/66 mustang seats.

Would it have had a center console even though auto is on the column?
Center console was optional, fit between the seats, same as 1963 Falcon Sprint. It may have had it, may not.

You could probably write a book on all the classic cars you have had. Still have that Galaxie?
I gave the '59 Galaxie to my pal to restore my rusty '57 Ranchero. He went to a junkyard, found a '57 two door wagon, cut out the good sheet metal, then welded it to the Ranchero.

He spent weeks doing the body work, then repainted it in the original colors: Willow Green and Colonial White.

Several years later a gal approached me in a gas station wanting to buy the Ranchero. She looked vaguely familiar, but I couldn't place her. Now, if I had watched Little House on the Prairie...

It was actress Melissa Gilbert, and she bought it. Several years ago, I spotted it on the 118 freeway, so it still exists.

I've owned 100's of old cars, but I only regret selling two of them. The CA license plates (IMH 077) of the 1950 Olds 88 Club Coupe are no longer in the system.

The guy I sold my 1962 Studebaker GT Hawk to, moved to the Philippines, taking the car with him.
 
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On plate body code says H81. Why wouldn't it say 81B if in fact it is a Ranger?
And with the carb numbers posted from the plate does that make it a 2100 series?
 

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