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Here's an interesting example of a beauty of a 1964 F100. I had to double-check, but look at the warranty plate on this one and tell me what Trans code 2A would be.

https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0518-32...d-f100-pickup/

I don't think that is correct.

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So I have read through this interesting thread about a very interesting new to OP truck find - a very nice truck you have acquired. From my interpretation of what has been posted; there is no way for the present owner of this truck to definitively establish the original color(s) of the vehicle --- Ford records destroyed, special order, could have been any color available in 65, no paint code on tag, etc., etc. (exception being having samples matched from un-faded areas). If this is true, does it in anyway effect the value of the vehicle regardless of what 1965 era color the vehicle is painted? If it is not possible to prove what color it was, there is no way to prove what 1965 available paint it was not...True?
 
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Far be it from me to say you are wrong Bill. Like you mentioned in another post you are just repeating what the manual says, don't kill the messenger.
Thanks for the list. Since Prairie Bronze isn't listed as a truck color (except in Canada) then it's possible that's the color and why it's not on warranty plate.

Chad,
Since our truck had stainless caps with black letters we would like to keep it that way. Any chance you want to sell two of those?
And by chance do you have an image of what the Ranger emblem on the fender should look like? I went to the thread you mentioned and added to it looking to purchase an insert. The images on that thread were for a 250.

Started on truck with basic tune up and fluid changes. Even though it idles very well a buddy and I are going to rebuild carb. Next on the list will be brakes and once snow melts taking it to tranny shop nearby for him to service.
Waffling on what to do with wiring. Everything currently works but wires/fuse block is 50+ years old. Any thoughts anyone?
 
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Originally Posted by Oilboy34 View Post
Far be it from me to say you are wrong Bill. Like you mentioned in another post you are just repeating what the manual says, don't kill the messenger.
Thanks for the list. Since Prairie Bronze isn't listed as a truck color (except in Canada) then it's possible that's the color and why it's not on warranty plate.
The "messenger" owned a 1965 F100 for 44 years, plus was a Ford parts guy when 1962/97's were new. So, some of what is typed is based on personal experiences.

Your question inre to the colors of Ford letters on bottle caps. The stainless version had black letters, but the paint can fade away to nothing and/or chip off over the years.

Plus the repro stainless bottle cap FORD letters aren't painted.

The painted bottle cap letters were not black, a member painted his black, but I've never seen another. There's no parts catalog reference, either.

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I figured what the hell, I might as well pass the info along. However...I wonder how long it'll take before a certain member says I missed something or goofed? (sigh)

US = 1965/66 F100/1100: Actual colors listed first, followed by their promotional names. Some of the actual names of the colors are the same as the promotionals.

A = Black - Raven Black / B = Turquoise - Caribbean Turquoise / C = Pure White / F = Light Blue - Arcadian Blue / G = Chrome Yellow / H = Light Beige - Sahara Beige / J = Rangoon Red / L = Dark Green - Holly Green / M = White - Wimbledon White / P = Peacock / W = Medium Blue - Marlin Blue // 3 = Light Blue - Skylight Blue / 8 = Yellow - Springtime Yellow

Navajo Beige isn't listed/shown. Is it the same as Light/Sahara Beige?

Prairie Bronze isn't listed either, but it is in the 1964/72 truck parts catalog. COLOR code E = Canada only.
Before I bought any brand new vehicle I'd first get a copy of the dealership brochure and just drool over the choices for a while. The 1965 F100/250 dealership brochure lists the Standard Colors on the last page. It shows Navaho Beige which was color code "T" and not the same color as Sahara Beige, which was a somewhat darker shade and a different Ford paint code. It does not list Sahara Beige here. The 1966 brochure lists Sahara Beige in the same 3rd spot.

It goes Rangoon Red, Raven Black, and then for 1965 the Navaho Beige and for 1966 the Sahara Beige.

You'd have to really squint, but you can see it here on this 1965 brochure. End of the box containing Chassis Specifications.



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Just took a quick peruse through my database of warranty plates and for 1965 lots of T and TM but not a single H or HM, too, which makes me think Sahara Beige was not used in 1965.

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I had inside strip out on my steering wheel,few yrs back had to snap vise grips on shaft,drove it home few miles like that, very slow lol
 
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Far be it from me to say you are wrong Bill. Like you mentioned in another post you are just repeating what the manual says, don't kill the messenger.
Thanks for the list. Since Prairie Bronze isn't listed as a truck color (except in Canada) then it's possible that's the color and why it's not on warranty plate.

Chad,
Since our truck had stainless caps with black letters we would like to keep it that way. Any chance you want to sell two of those?
And by chance do you have an image of what the Ranger emblem on the fender should look like? I went to the thread you mentioned and added to it looking to purchase an insert. The images on that thread were for a 250.
Golly, there's nothing wrong with being wrong. There's something wrong with being criminal, but wrong is legal and human. It's how I learn.

The Ranger inserts that Boss made up would be identical for both F100 and F250, it's just the chrome bezels that had either the 100 or 250 on them.

The stainless caps I have are for an F250 so somewhat larger than your F100 ones. They do reproduce the F100 size but without the painted letters like Bill mentioned from what I've seen. Easy to tape them off and add the finishing touch. Or someone else might have some of the F100 size.

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I sent you an email and just wanted to make sure you received it.
 
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Chad,
That's kind of what I figured for Ranger emblem so thanks for confirming.
As for hub caps, we certainly could buy some new ones and paint the script. Going to have to do some touch up on ours anyway since black is fading off. Would prefer originals if possible though.
Any good chroming places over in the Seattle area? I talked with one in Spokane regarding the bumpers and ours are quite doable, just expensive.
 
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Chad,
That's kind of what I figured for Ranger emblem so thanks for confirming.
As for hub caps, we certainly could buy some new ones and paint the script. Going to have to do some touch up on ours anyway since black is fading off. Would prefer originals if possible though.
Any good chroming places over in the Seattle area? I talked with one in Spokane regarding the bumpers and ours are quite doable, just expensive.
No, I've been looking at shipping stuff to Ogden Utah to Ogden Chrome. They are recommended by a couple of the local restoration shops up here. Queen City Plating is good but only does small stuff currently and is not accepting larger items like bumpers. Art Brass also does decent work but they had a 16 month backlog so I didn't leave anything there. They are the main two up here that I know of.

Chrome is getting dang expensive for a quality job and who wants a poor job with chrome?

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"If this is true, does it in anyway effect the value of the vehicle regardless of what 1965 era color the vehicle is painted? If it is not possible to prove what color it was, there is no way to prove what 1965 available paint it was not...True?"

I was thinking the same thing. If it looks like Prairie Bronze when chip is compared to firewall and that's the color we go with, then there should be no way to consider it the wrong color when going off warranty plate. It may not be the exact original, but it's not wrong.
 
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"If this is true, does it in anyway effect the value of the vehicle regardless of what 1965 era color the vehicle is painted? If it is not possible to prove what color it was, there is no way to prove what 1965 available paint it was not...True?"

I was thinking the same thing. If it looks like Prairie Bronze when chip is compared to firewall and that's the color we go with, then there should be no way to consider it the wrong color when going off warranty plate. It may not be the exact original, but it's not wrong.
I'd agree with that. Except for the people that have read this thread no one will have any clue what color the truck was originally provided you remove all traces of the original paint. Personally I'm not crazy about the Bronze color and to me it would be worth more in red or blue and white. My '66 is like your truck, no paint code and it has a DSO #. Maybe my truck is even the same Bronze as yours but I've benn calling it gold but it will likely be blue and white when I'm done since I don't like the color.
 
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The gas tank would have been painted in the main body colour and should look pretty good even now, especially on its back side.

The blank on the plate could be a mistake as Chad suggests. My '66 has the code "J" for Rangoon Red, but it looked more orange, like code "S", Poppy Red. However, after a light sanding and clear it appears to be the code "5" Signal Flare Red (Mustang) that Randy Boss9 mentioned previously. It doesn't have a special DSO.

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We aren't necessarily fond of the Bronze color either. You bring up a good point going in a completely different direction like Blue or Red or whatever. As long as it's not a truck color the plate not stamped would still be correct.

The other thing I'm waffling on is the motor. It was supposedly rebuilt to a 360 in the late 1980's with around 90,000 miles at the time. It currently has 124,000 and hasn't been driven since it was last licensed in 2005. It idles very nicely and seems to run good. Tank was cleaned out and new filters put in.
 

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