Question for you veteran Super Duty owners.
#1
Question for you veteran Super Duty owners.
I currently have a 2014 F150 XLT, Supercab, 4x4, 8 ft bed with the Max Tow and HD payload pkg (2286# CC). I tow, and plan on keeping it until I don't go RVing any longer (retired and in my early 70's), a Jayco Jay Flight 23RB. It's 27' 2" long from bumper to front of the hitch and it's 6500# GVWR.
I have no plans to get rid of the F150, however, should something happen to it, like it get totaled (and I not get totaled also), I would think about getting a Super Duty in it's place, specifically a F250 gasser. I would also probably order it since I would want it exactly like I want it. I have averaged 1/2 of my current 68k miles towing, but that should drop down to 30 to 40% beginning this year. Nor do I need it as a daily driver. We have new Fusion for that. I live in Virginia and probably most of my future driving/towing will be to the mid west, up the east coast and down to Florida. Earlier this year, we completed a 8900# trip to Florida, NM, CO, UT, ID, WY, MT, SD, MI and home with the F150. Probably will not be making another long trip out to the Rockies again.
I don't want a diesel due to the huge complexity and potential cost of repairs and maintenance and the initial up front cost. So a few questions. Assuming a truck purchase would be in 2020, would it still make sense to get the 6.2L engine as opposed to the new 7.3L? Especially if it can be mated to the new 10 speed tranny? Next, would the 3.73 work just as well for my sized trailer should I have to buy off the lot? And even if I ordered, with the size trailer I have, would it still make sense to get the 3.73 vs the 4.30, assuming that the 3.73, especially when not pulling, would give slightly better gas mileage?
Thanks for any insight you may have.
I have no plans to get rid of the F150, however, should something happen to it, like it get totaled (and I not get totaled also), I would think about getting a Super Duty in it's place, specifically a F250 gasser. I would also probably order it since I would want it exactly like I want it. I have averaged 1/2 of my current 68k miles towing, but that should drop down to 30 to 40% beginning this year. Nor do I need it as a daily driver. We have new Fusion for that. I live in Virginia and probably most of my future driving/towing will be to the mid west, up the east coast and down to Florida. Earlier this year, we completed a 8900# trip to Florida, NM, CO, UT, ID, WY, MT, SD, MI and home with the F150. Probably will not be making another long trip out to the Rockies again.
I don't want a diesel due to the huge complexity and potential cost of repairs and maintenance and the initial up front cost. So a few questions. Assuming a truck purchase would be in 2020, would it still make sense to get the 6.2L engine as opposed to the new 7.3L? Especially if it can be mated to the new 10 speed tranny? Next, would the 3.73 work just as well for my sized trailer should I have to buy off the lot? And even if I ordered, with the size trailer I have, would it still make sense to get the 3.73 vs the 4.30, assuming that the 3.73, especially when not pulling, would give slightly better gas mileage?
Thanks for any insight you may have.
#2
In your position, I'd go with the F250 gasser configured exactly the way you want it to include the long bed (for the 48 gallon fuel tank). I wouldn't waste any money on camper springs or heavy duty tow packages - that is, anything that increases spring capacity - this will only make your ride more harsh. The 6.2L will be an excellent choice for your particular needs, however, I'd go with the 4.30 gears with 20" wheels. That'll give you an end gear of right at 4.0 and the fuel usage difference will be negligible.
#3
Haven’t seen the numbers on the 7.3 yet so one can’t really make that comparison yet.
With that said I bought the 250 gas 373s to tow a boat around your camper weight and a camper a few k heavier. I could have purchased a 150 and done those weights fine and more economically fuel wise but pulling with a heavier truck is just more comfortable. Sure the 150 has the power but the tail can wag that dog easier. I’m a gas truck guy my last gas 8.1 Chevy only had numbers about like the ford 6.2 and about half the mpg.
Mid you’re happy with your current rig you’ll probably really dig a new 250.
With that said I bought the 250 gas 373s to tow a boat around your camper weight and a camper a few k heavier. I could have purchased a 150 and done those weights fine and more economically fuel wise but pulling with a heavier truck is just more comfortable. Sure the 150 has the power but the tail can wag that dog easier. I’m a gas truck guy my last gas 8.1 Chevy only had numbers about like the ford 6.2 and about half the mpg.
Mid you’re happy with your current rig you’ll probably really dig a new 250.
#5
RE: 8' Box
While I would love to have the 48 gal gas tank, I'll probably go with the 6.75' box since I will be getting a Super Crew in what ever my next truck will be, should I get another truck. My current F150 Scab with 8' box has a 163" wheel base. It's a female dog trying to find parking spaces it will fit. A Screw with 8' box would be intolerably long for me.
In your position, I'd go with the F250 gasser configured exactly the way you want it to include the long bed (for the 48 gallon fuel tank). I wouldn't waste any money on camper springs or heavy duty tow packages - that is, anything that increases spring capacity - this will only make your ride more harsh. The 6.2L will be an excellent choice for your particular needs, however, I'd go with the 4.30 gears with 20" wheels. That'll give you an end gear of right at 4.0 and the fuel usage difference will be negligible.
#6
I swapped out my 2011 F-150 (Super Crew, 3.5L EB, 6.5' box) for a 2018 F-250 Super Crew 6.2L with 6.75' box and 4.30 rear. My travel trailer is right at 7000# and just shy of 33' tip to tail.
I don't regret the change one bit. I did custom order the truck, since finding gas trucks around here is nearly impossible (let alone one with the features I wanted), but it was completely worth it. Towing is a much less stressful endeavor now, especially in windy conditions. I am disappointed I couldn't get the larger 48gal tank in it without going to the long box, but I've survived so far.
The 7.3L and 10-speed look really interesting, but I have another two years minimum before I really look hard at them.
I've only driven the 3.73 rear on test drives, but it seemed fine to me. If you don't plan on getting a larger trailer then it should fit your needs well enough. I got the 4.30 to give myself more room to grow trailer-wise before I needed to upgrade again.
I don't regret the change one bit. I did custom order the truck, since finding gas trucks around here is nearly impossible (let alone one with the features I wanted), but it was completely worth it. Towing is a much less stressful endeavor now, especially in windy conditions. I am disappointed I couldn't get the larger 48gal tank in it without going to the long box, but I've survived so far.
The 7.3L and 10-speed look really interesting, but I have another two years minimum before I really look hard at them.
I've only driven the 3.73 rear on test drives, but it seemed fine to me. If you don't plan on getting a larger trailer then it should fit your needs well enough. I got the 4.30 to give myself more room to grow trailer-wise before I needed to upgrade again.
Last edited by JBz; 02-15-2019 at 11:02 AM. Reason: Had some additional thoughts
#7
Only 163" wheelbase? Now that's just downright cute!
My wheelbase is 176" and overall length is 266.6" not counting the trailer hitch that is always in place.
But seriously, just so you know, in a Supercab you are looking at:
SB - 148.0" wheel base and 238.2" overall
LB - 164.2" wheel base and 254.4" overall
My wheelbase is 176" and overall length is 266.6" not counting the trailer hitch that is always in place.
But seriously, just so you know, in a Supercab you are looking at:
SB - 148.0" wheel base and 238.2" overall
LB - 164.2" wheel base and 254.4" overall
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#9
I recommend not dismissing the inexpensive optional camper package. There’s little difference in the first- and second-stage rear spring deflection rates (325 and 760 lbs./in stock, 325 / 700 / 1251 with CP). The front springs are “2 up” for the 4x2, but just “1 up” for the 4x4.
Farnkly, I wouldn’t expect much difference in ride quality, especially if the tires were aired down a bit when runnin’ lightly loaded.
HTH,
Jim / crewzer
Farnkly, I wouldn’t expect much difference in ride quality, especially if the tires were aired down a bit when runnin’ lightly loaded.
HTH,
Jim / crewzer
#10
I traded my 2012 F150 for a F250 about a year ago. No more "tail wagging the dog" and you can haul around more stuff. Mine is a gasser as well and with diesel always 10 - 14 cents more per liter I'm glad I made that choice. It would take a long time to make up the $10,000 difference in price.
#12
I recommend not dismissing the inexpensive optional camper package. There’s little difference in the first- and second-stage rear spring deflection rates (325 and 760 lbs./in stock 325 / 700 / 1251 with CP). The front springs are “2 up” for the 4x2, but just “1 up” for the 4x4.
Farnkly, I wouldn’t expect much difference in ride quality, especially if the tires were aired down a bit when runnin’ lightly loaded.
HTH,
Jim / crewzer
Farnkly, I wouldn’t expect much difference in ride quality, especially if the tires were aired down a bit when runnin’ lightly loaded.
HTH,
Jim / crewzer
#13
I would be extremely cautious about the new 10-speed. The 6R140 is an absolute industry standard and the smaller 6R100 (I think) that goes with the 3/4 ton gasser is also built on a reliable platform. I don't know if it's possible, but if you could get the 7.3 mated to the 6-speed, then that would be the combo I'd opt for. You should have absolutely no need whatsoever for the 7.3 with a trailer that light. But, large motors and reasons would make me want it.
#14
Compared to yours, I guess mine is sort of "cute". The F150's with the HDPP required the longest wheel base. I wanted a Super Crew cab, but the 2014 MY had ended, and the local dealer had to hunt for any F150's with the HDPP. He finally found 4 at 3 different dealers up in PA. Unfortunately they were all SuperCabs, so I took what was available.
My next truck, if there is another truck, will have crew cab configuration which means 160" wheel base. I'll get the 6.75' short box.
My next truck, if there is another truck, will have crew cab configuration which means 160" wheel base. I'll get the 6.75' short box.
Only 163" wheelbase? Now that's just downright cute!
My wheelbase is 176" and overall length is 266.6" not counting the trailer hitch that is always in place.
But seriously, just so you know, in a Supercab you are looking at:
SB - 148.0" wheel base and 238.2" overall
LB - 164.2" wheel base and 254.4" overall
My wheelbase is 176" and overall length is 266.6" not counting the trailer hitch that is always in place.
But seriously, just so you know, in a Supercab you are looking at:
SB - 148.0" wheel base and 238.2" overall
LB - 164.2" wheel base and 254.4" overall