7.3L kill resale value of 6.2L
#121
02-08-2019, 09:45 AM
Laughing Gas
#122
02-08-2019, 11:33 AM
From my memory the 8.1/Allison was around a $2500 upgrade, mainly due to the Allison transmission (unless you opted for the ZF6 which were incredibly rare). At that time I believe the Duramax was about a $5Kish option over the 6.0. I almost bought an 8.1 in 2005 but there were very few on lots. Most salesmen were like “why would you want an 8.1, they get bad mileage”. So I don’t think the dealers we’re educated enough to sell the 8.1 and would rather just move you up to the Duramax. Our ranch had several 8.1’s over the years and at the time they were decent compared to the Duramax of that vintage. It doesn’t compare at all to the newer diesels and as I said earlier if the torque isn’t well over 500 ft lbs really no reason to upgrade over a 6.2 unless there is a minimal upgrade cost.
#124
02-08-2019, 11:45 AM
Yup, Ford would be screwed if everyone wanted the 5.0 in the 150. Big part of the reason the 3.0 Diesel was brought out was to juice the 150 MPG average a slight bit.
#126
02-08-2019, 12:29 PM
#127
02-08-2019, 12:33 PM
#128
02-08-2019, 12:35 PM
Posting Guru
Now this is wisdom and great insight. Nice strategic thinking, man. I agree with you.
#129
02-08-2019, 12:42 PM
They just shoe horned the 6.2 in the E-Series last year also. Not something they would have done if the 6.2 was going away.
#130
02-08-2019, 12:51 PM
Hotshot
Yes the 7.3 is a more advanced engine design that will eclipse the 6.2. The new 7.3 HD was designed with a specific output range with the new 10 speed. The 6.2 design was running 4 speed transmissions and needed a different RPM band TQ curve. Lot more to it but you get the idea...
#131
02-08-2019, 01:00 PM
They got out in front with the public success of the F150 10 sp trannies.....
But SDs ain't mostly a grocery getter and these things will really be put to the test. Filling lots with 10 speeds is a potential disaster I think ford is unlikely to take.
In fact I think you'll have a harder time selling the 10 sp trannies to the SD crowd than the 7.3
#133
02-08-2019, 01:50 PM
OHC is not intrinsically more sophisticated than OHV, and in fact has been around almost as long. OHC engines have advantages in being able to rev higher and breathe better, because it's much easier to use a 4 valve per cylinder design. This allows them to make more power for a given displacement, which is why the design has always been more popular for smaller engines and vehicles sold overseas where there are displacement taxes. None of that is really applicable to HD trucks though. I'd expect an all new engine to be at least as "advanced" as one designed and introduced nearly 10 years ago. And I say all this as a satisfied 6.2L owner.
#134
02-08-2019, 02:02 PM
Competition is fierce in the truck market. No way it'll be above $2500...when Ram chargers $500 for the 6.4 and GM has a 6.6 as the base engine. Now the 7.3 will obviously clean it's clock power-wise, but not to the tune of 6K worth. They'd lose too many sales.
Ford is obviously going HARD after everyone- whether they own a Ford, GM, or Ram-, that wants superior power and capability and NONE of the negatives that come with a diesel. The 7.3 is going to be a home run in this regard and will get them to look hard at Ford, but the price can't be outrageous.
#135
02-08-2019, 02:07 PM
Fleet Mechanic
They could do that...IF GM and Ram didn't exist.
Competition is fierce in the truck market. No way it'll be above $2500...when Ram chargers $500 for the 6.4 and GM has a 6.6 as the base engine. Now the 7.3 will obviously clean it's clock power-wise, but not to the tune of 6K worth. They'd lose too many sales.
Ford is obviously going HARD after everyone- whether they own a Ford, GM, or Ram-, that wants superior power and capability and NONE of the negatives that come with a diesel. The 7.3 is going to be a home run in this regard and will get them to look hard at Ford, but the price can't be outrageous.
Competition is fierce in the truck market. No way it'll be above $2500...when Ram chargers $500 for the 6.4 and GM has a 6.6 as the base engine. Now the 7.3 will obviously clean it's clock power-wise, but not to the tune of 6K worth. They'd lose too many sales.
Ford is obviously going HARD after everyone- whether they own a Ford, GM, or Ram-, that wants superior power and capability and NONE of the negatives that come with a diesel. The 7.3 is going to be a home run in this regard and will get them to look hard at Ford, but the price can't be outrageous.