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Why I ordered an F-450 and expect to be overweight.

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Old 01-05-2019, 02:36 PM
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Why I ordered an F-450 and expect to be overweight.

Forums everywhere are replete with explanations and warnings that an F-450 payload (~4700) is lower than the equivalent F-350 (~5700).

We've ordered a Host Cascade truck camper with a dry weight with options of 4100 lbs. (Our config is a little weird. No gen but tons of solar with LiFePO4) We'll be towing a small off-road trailer with a tongue weight of around 200lbs, but I do plan on towing car trailers to various tracks in the future. Open trailer is ~5000lbs with the car. Enclosed is around ~8000lbs with the car. Estimates 10% tongue weight is from 500-800 lbs. We're having the Magnum 30k put on the truck when it gets here so that we can use the Supertruss (+100lbs).

4700 payload
-4100 Host Cascade
-500 stuff
-600 family (there's 2 adults, 3 kids)
-800 tongue weight
-400 water
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1700 overweight.

An equivalent F-350 would be ~700lbs overweight, which honestly isnt bad.
So why am I comfortable with the F-450 at 1700 when I'm towing the big trailer?

Everything that weighs more about the F-450 is below the suspension. The F-450's payload is less literally because it pushing down on the pavement (or a scale) more than the F-350.
Half-shafts (check)
Brakes (check)
Wheels (check)
TIres (check)
Wide-track front (check)

Everything listed above assists in making the "rated 5700lb F-350 payload" more safe on an F-450.
So because I think the tires, wheels, shafts, brakes, and a set of Stableloads, adjustable shocks, and a Big-wig swaybar would help a 700lb overweight F-350 be safe, I'm excited about the F-450.

Interestingly, we had to get our Host order quickly because campers built after 3/1/2019 will have a ~9% price increase (Thanks Trunp!), so we might have a camper before a truck.

Y'all may think I'm rationalizing here, but a C/C would be useless to me outside of camper use. With the F-450 I've got a ton of hard-scaping, hauling, dump runs, etc planned that I couldnt do as easily with a flatbed.
 
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Old 01-05-2019, 02:52 PM
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BTW, the SRW F350 is 1000# lighter, the dually is 500# lighter (thus the 500# more payload on paper).

With the springs on the F450, I wouldn't exceed the 9900# rear GAWR without airbags.
 
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Old 01-05-2019, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by 2009kr View Post
BTW, the SRW F350 is 1000# lighter, the dually is 500# lighter (thus the 500# more payload on paper).

With the springs on the F450, I wouldn't exceed the 9900# rear GAWR without airbags.
My internet laziness just turns up pictures of stickers such as this 4x4 6.7 F350 dually with a 5600 payload:
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/s...2&postcount=67

perhaps it isn't as optioned out as my Lariat will be, but its not too far off. That looks 900lbs different, though I havent seen a sticker for a XL F-450.
 
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Old 01-05-2019, 06:00 PM
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My numbers are correct, within 50# or so. I agree with your overall assessment that an F450 can handle more than the 14k GVWR would indicate.

My loaded KR F450 weighs anout 9250. A SRW F350 configured the same way weighs about 8250, 8750 for the F350 DRW.
 
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Old 01-05-2019, 07:01 PM
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Drove my f350 dually across scales yesterday. 9100 lbs
 
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Old 01-05-2019, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Pioneer1 View Post
Drove my f350 dually across scales yesterday. 9100 lbs
I suspect that you had 400#+ of people and gear in the truck. If you subtract your payload on the door sticker from 14000, you'll have the truck weight with full tanks and mo people, configured as it left the factory.
 
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by 2009kr View Post
I suspect that you had 400#+ of people and gear in the truck. If you subtract your payload on the door sticker from 14000, you'll have the truck weight with full tanks and mo people, configured as it left the factory.
Nope. Certified scales, myself only.
 
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:15 PM
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The extra weight of the f450 is almost ALL unspung. The tires, wheels, and ecmxtra axle weight really has nothing to do with the actuall payload.
I have a Eagle Cap 1200. Probably heavier than your camper (buy about a ton).
there really is no comparison to the f450. Close to 50% larger brakes thsn ANY other pickup.
thr Dana m300 is rated by DANA to 16,000lbs.
you are putting safety ahead of a piece of paper that means nothing.
good for you

 
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Old 01-05-2019, 11:47 PM
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I tell people everyday how much I dig my 450. Life changing when towing......
 
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Old 01-06-2019, 01:07 AM
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Everyone knows that if you exceed the payload printed on the sticker you are a dangerous menace to society and obviously hate your family and puppies.

I love your common sense approach to your choice. Way too many people are obsessed with the payload sticker at the expense of real world capability. I will own a 450 one day whether I need it or not.
 
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Old 01-06-2019, 08:25 AM
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Being the middle child, F350's may have the only honest payload stickers on them. I believe the big brother F450 and the little brother F250 stickers are under rated for many of the same reasons.

Like in real life the middle child doesn't get away with anything, while the big brother and little brother are not treated the same way. LOL.
 
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my F350 DRW comes in at 9200 across the scales with my only in it. I do have a winch bumper and tool box/headache rack on it though.
 
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Old 01-06-2019, 09:21 AM
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Why not pay the registration and licensing and not be over weight?
 
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Old 01-06-2019, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by senix View Post
my F350 DRW comes in at 9200 across the scales with my only in it. I do have a winch bumper and tool box/headache rack on it though.

Arent the alumaduties like 500 lbs lighter as well?
 
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Old 01-06-2019, 09:33 AM
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Al is lighter so that may help. As for upping the registration, I did that on my 08 F250. It had a 10K sticker but registered it for 12K.
 

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