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Old 12-12-2018, 11:22 PM
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351w EFI timing cover with a standard rotation water pump?

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I'm nearing the end of my big windsor build, and it's time to get the tinwork and get the engine buttoned up. the block is a F4TE roller block, but the engine itself is going onto my 68 Torino. As such, I need a standard rotation water pump.

Since I have no need for a mechanical fuel pump boss, can i get a timing cover for a 94 F150, and use it with the standard water pump, or do i need to source a timing cover that matches the pump?

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Old 12-13-2018, 10:18 AM
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No, that F150 cover only works with the reverse rotation pumps they came with. The late 80's Crown Vic/Towncar/Marquis used a std rotation cover and pump. I'm running this on my 331 with the late 88-up Crown Vic pump which is aluminum, the earlier versions had a cast iron pump. Or you can use any 1970-up timing cover from anything but the early Broncos. Ford revised the F series and Mustang pumps in 1986 to that reversed setup cover and matching pump
 
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Old 12-13-2018, 09:43 PM
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Well, I'll just grab a timing cover for a 69 torino with a 351W then. I was just hoping to use one of the many covers i currently had.

Thanks for the info!
 
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Old 12-13-2018, 11:39 PM
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68 or 69 Torino? I'm guessing you wrote 69 because that was the first year for the 351.
There were some changes around those years with pulleys and dampers, and even possibly where the timing pointer on the cover was. I would think the complete "front dress" parts from a 1968 Torino 302 would be the best match, they should all fit the 351 (other than the belts).
Will you be using single groove pulleys or double?
 
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the car is a 68 torino, but 69 was the first year of the 351W.

I was going to go with a different front dress setup. the car is a manual steering, low option car, so all i need to do is run the water pump and alternator.
 
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the car is a 68 torino, but 69 was the first year of the 351W.

I was going to go with a different front dress setup. the car is a manual steering, low option car, so all i need to do is run the water pump and alternator.
The timing pointer location will need to match the timing marks on the harmonic balancer you're using. I'm thinking the cover will have the pass side inlet (water pump) pointer,(cast into the cover) so you'll need the stamped bolt on pointer used on later engines for a 351W..If you use a driver's side inlet pump, that will hide the pass side pointer on that cover. The nice thing about the later covers (1980's) is they used locating dowels to positively center the front seal. With the earlier covers you needed to use a tool to center the seal before tightening the cover bolts.
 
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I like the Ford performance timing cover and it works with both water pumps. I put them on all the sbf I use.
 
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I like the Ford performance timing cover and it works with both water pumps. I put them on all the sbf I use.
What cover are you talking about ? The Windsor he's got has the cover with the reversed ports, it only works with the pumps it came with. The earlier Mustang reverse pumps fit the earlier std rotation cover. Then there's the Explorer/Mountaineer and the 94-95 Stang pumps that use a completely different timing cover that only fits these pumps.
 
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Old 12-17-2018, 08:26 PM
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Ford performance M-6059-d351 Works with standard and reverse pumps
 
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Ford performance M-6059-d351 Works with standard and reverse pumps
Only problem is it costs $140. Vs a $25-50 used cover. It doesn't work with the late 80's to 97 reverse pumps. Only the 79-85 Mustang reverse pumps.
 
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Old 12-18-2018, 05:15 PM
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Never said it was the cheapest option, but finding a 50 year old cover might not be easy. I like them because it gives you options. They do work with 86-93 reverse pumps also. They also have a spot to use a dipstick for front sump pans.
 
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Never said it was the cheapest option, but finding a 50 year old cover might not be easy. I like them because it gives you options. They do work with 86-93 reverse pumps also. They also have a spot to use a dipstick for front sump pans.
50 year old ? These were produced up until 1991 for the Crown Vic's. I have three hangin in my shop if anyone wants one. $25 a pop plus the ride. And my point was the OP's timing cover does not work with a std rotation pump, which is what he was aiming to use with just a water pump and alternator to drive.
 
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Old 12-18-2018, 07:11 PM
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My crown vic covers dont have a front dipstick opening, Just giving the OP a idea that would work for him. Ford puts them on the crate motors because it gives you lots of options.
 
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My crown vic covers dont have a front dipstick opening, Do the ones you have ? Not trying to start a pissing match, Just giving the OP a idea that would work for him. Ford puts them on the crate motors because it gives you lots of options.
Mine does. Drilled the hole myself. All of them have the boss to drill it
 
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Old 12-23-2018, 10:55 PM
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thanks for all the info, both of you. i ended up using a 1979 ford thunderbird front cover, it has the pointer in the correct place, it accepts a standard rotation pump, and brand new it was $75.
 

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