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2000 F350 7.3L Injector Suggestions

Any feedback and or recommendations on injectors for a 2000 F350 7.3L with Banks Exhaust and Turbo, a PacBrake Exhaust Brake, and Edge Tuner.
Its a daily driver that tows a 32 ft. pull behind about 200 miles a month.

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It depends on what you want to do with the truck and how much you want to spend. Do you have emissions to deal with? Single shots will require a tune to get them to run efficiently. I went with Rosewoods 140’s in my E99 because at the time I didn’t think I would want bigger and I was dealing with EGT’s issues that I would find out was a plugged CAT. If I ever pull them I’ll probably look at 160’s but then I’m probably gonna need a turbo upgrade which means more money.

Upgrades lead upgrades that that lead to upgrades that leave the wallet empty. Research twice open wallet once.
 
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It depends on what you want to do with the truck and how much you want to spend. Do you have emissions to deal with? Single shots will require a tune to get them to run efficiently. I went with Rosewoods 140’s in my E99 because at the time I didn’t think I would want bigger and I was dealing with EGT’s issues that I would find out was a plugged CAT. If I ever pull them I’ll probably look at 160’s but then I’m probably gonna need a turbo upgrade which means more money.

Upgrades lead upgrades that that lead to upgrades that leave the wallet empty. Research twice open wallet once.
I’m not looking for a racer or to leave coal on the windshield for the guy behind me. It’s a daily driver for now and I tow a trailer on average about 200 miles a month. So I definitely need something that I can tow a load with and not have to worry about it. I also don’t want to put 2gs into injectors. And I live in Commiefornia, so yes, I have emissions to deal with.
 
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Originally Posted by billyb1892


I’m not looking for a racer or to leave coal on the windshield for the guy behind me. It’s a daily driver for now and I tow a trailer on average about 200 miles a month. So I definitely need something that I can tow a load with and not have to worry about it. I also don’t want to put 2gs into injectors. And I live in Commiefornia, so yes, I have emissions to deal with.
That being said, stick with stock but spring for new ones. Don't do remans. Some people get lucky but there are plenty like me that have problems with remans. Its not worth taking the chance.
 
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Old 12-06-2018, 11:24 AM
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I’d like to hear from somebody in CA that has smogged a set of 180/30 or 180/80 injectors and who flashed your PCM to run without a tuner during the smog and snap test, can you drive it on just the PCM smog tune ?
 
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Originally Posted by billyb1892


I’m not looking for a racer or to leave coal on the windshield for the guy behind me. It’s a daily driver for now and I tow a trailer on average about 200 miles a month. So I definitely need something that I can tow a load with and not have to worry about it. I also don’t want to put 2gs into injectors. And I live in Commiefornia, so yes, I have emissions to deal with.
I would send them off to Rosewood for a rebuild. He mentioned in one of his posts that he’d take a rebuilt 300k injector over new injector...
 
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I would send them off to Rosewood for a rebuild. He mentioned in one of his posts that he’d take a rebuilt 300k injector over new injector...
That's odd, because in the short conversation I had with him about rebuilding injector bodies, he mentioned nobody was re-machining the poppet seat in the body.
 
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I'd suggest 160/0 the basic IH single shot upgrade. You'll need a tune flashed on your PCM, or a tuner (TS, Hydra, DP Tuner) to replace the Edge. Those injectors are for the IH version of the engine when installed in the medium duty line like tow trucks. In stock all across the fields of waving grain, if you're on the road much. An additional chunk of fuel to get the load moving but nothing that will be noticeable at smog time with good tunes.

Any single shot injector will require a tune to run properly. Your split shots can be rebuilt and perked up with better tunes, but if it were me needing new injectors I'd put in better hardware then tunes to match.
 
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That's odd, because in the short conversation I had with him about rebuilding injector bodies, he mentioned nobody was re-machining the poppet seat in the body.
I have not heard anyone recommend remans for a long time.
 
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Originally Posted by aawlberninf350
I'd suggest 160/0 the basic IH single shot upgrade. You'll need a tune flashed on your PCM, or a tuner (TS, Hydra, DP Tuner) to replace the Edge. Those injectors are for the IH version of the engine when installed in the medium duty line like tow trucks. In stock all across the fields of waving grain, if you're on the road much. An additional chunk of fuel to get the load moving but nothing that will be noticeable at smog time with good tunes.

Any single shot injector will require a tune to run properly. Your split shots can be rebuilt and perked up with better tunes, but if it were me needing new injectors I'd put in better hardware then tunes to match.
Before buying anything other than stock be sure to talk to your preferred tuner first. I have 160/30s and I am told they are harder to tune than say 160/80s. You could always purchase a 160/80 and de tune them so they run like 160/0 but with the 80% nozzle you can drop all of the fuel faster.
 
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Originally Posted by pirate4x4_camo
I’d like to hear from somebody in CA that has smogged a set of 180/30 or 180/80 injectors and who flashed your PCM to run without a tuner during the smog and snap test, can you drive it on just the PCM smog tune ?
Will 160/80 single shots do?

F-ing nightmare as all the planets lined up and had nothing but issues (injector work took a lot longer than expected, didn't even get it running until after smog was due, tuner was having in-house issues, and the smog station tech was a little rough).

Long story short: Hydra was not an issue and the tech spent 95% of his inspection time under the hood. That was lucky as I don't think the MODIFIED STOCK tune flashed on my PCM would pass the Snap Test. PHP did hook me up with an emissions tune that is driveable. Just to make sure I could drive on it if I had to I did get up to 40mph without any issues (light on the throttle) in case I was unable to put the switcher head back on before departing after the test. I'm not excited about spending more money to have my PCM re-flashed but once I get my oil leaks fixed I'm going to re-visit what tune I should have on my PCM for driveability and smog-ability in a pinch if I have to pull the Hydra in the future. I've got a year to figure that out so that will be a project next year.

Short story long: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...l#post17860313 (it starts at post #30 and is peppered in there after that)

GH and PHP did say that they were surprised that their Heavy Tow / Modified Stock tunes didn't pass muster for a Snap Test. They might have but at the time (brand new injectors) I wasn't going to risk it.

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Before buying anything other than stock be sure to talk to your preferred tuner first. I have 160/30s and I am told they are harder to tune than say 160/80s. You could always purchase a 160/80 and de tune them so they run like 160/0 but with the 80% nozzle you can drop all of the fuel faster.
Definitely talk to your tuner. Everybody has their sweet spot (injector size/manufacturer) that they feel comfortable with or have figured out. During my research I remember reading that the 0% and 80% nozzles are the most consistent size from the manufacturing process and that everything else is based off of those two sizes and can lead to small variations from nozzle to nozzle. I'm sure I will be corrected if I'm wrong but that was one of the deciding factors in my nozzle decision.
 
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I’d like to hear from somebody in CA that has smogged a set of 180/30 or 180/80 injectors and who flashed your PCM to run without a tuner during the smog and snap test, can you drive it on just the PCM smog tune ?
I have a clean tune flashed on my PCM and there’s absolutely nothing you can do to get smoke out of it. It’s definitely slow in that tune, but still faster than an 6.9 IDI.
 
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I have a clean tune flashed on my PCM and there’s absolutely nothing you can do to get smoke out of it. It’s definitely slow in that tune, but still faster than an 6.9 IDI.
What tune and from who or is it part of your live tuning? Curious CA minds want to know!
 
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What tune and from who or is it part of your live tuning? Curious CA minds want to know!
I guess I need to update my signature. Jody at DP flashed it on there for me at a live tune session, but I’m running a Hydra now with emailed tunes. When I had the 38r, max boost was 12psi in that tune. With the SXE it’s now 18, so it’s drivable.
 
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I didn’t think about limiting the boost. Now I’m going to have to reload my emissions tune and check it out.

I also originally had plans for a 38R but I don’t think that’s going to happen now.

CA?...SXE?...I need to move near your smog station!
 
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