5.4 2v info
#1
11-22-2018, 10:37 AM
#2
11-22-2018, 07:37 PM
Fleet Mechanic
I'm collecting parts to replace the chain, tensioners and oil pump.
I think as the chains stretch the cam timing is retarded a little so with new chains the timing should be restored to OEM and probably will have a bit more power than it has right now.
#3
11-23-2018, 05:59 AM
Our 2003 5.4L 2v 170k has a loud ticking noise at startup for a couple of minutes on the passenger side which I'm assuming is a timing chain/tensioner issue.
I'm collecting parts to replace the chain, tensioners and oil pump.
I think as the chains stretch the cam timing is retarded a little so with new chains the timing should be restored to OEM and probably will have a bit more power than it has right now.
I'm collecting parts to replace the chain, tensioners and oil pump.
I think as the chains stretch the cam timing is retarded a little so with new chains the timing should be restored to OEM and probably will have a bit more power than it has right now.
What oil pump and timing parts are you planning on using?? MC or Melling, or something else? I am getting close to "collecting" the necessary components , so , I am curious as to what you and others are getting, which prompted this post.
#4
11-23-2018, 10:53 AM
Fleet Mechanic
The timing set comes with the plastic tensioners.
The plastic ones do not have a ratchet mechanism which the cast iron ones have.
Part Brand No. Price Supplier Notes
Timing chain kit Cloyes 9-0391SB $128.00 Amazon
Cast tensioner, left Cloyes 9-5338 $36.00 ebay Cast iron, ratcheting
Cast tensioner, right Cloyes 9-5339 $36.00 ebay Cast iron, ratcheting
Oil pump Melling M176 $54.00 ebay Steel back plate
Oil pan gasket Motorcraft 3L3Z6710AA $22.00 ebay
Oil pressure sensor Motorcraft SW6357 $8.00 ebay 7 psi switch
Water pump/O-ring Motorcraft PW423 $28.00 Amazon O-ring included: F1VY-8507-A
Water pump O-ring Fel-Pro 413 $5.00 Amazon .688" ID x .875" OD
Gasket - timing cover Fel-Pro TCS 45982-1 $30.00 Amazon
Gasket - valve covers Fel-Pro VS 50481R $32.00 Amazon
Harmonic balancer Dorman 594-206 $60.00 Amazon
Thermostat Motorcraft RT1234 $10.00 Amazon 190 deg
Thermostat O-ring Motorcraft RG571 $6.00 Amazon Top side of thermostat
Stant 25290 .139" - ID 1.984", OD 2.262"
Thermostat housing Dorman 902-1005 $12.00 Amazon
Radiator 2 row - 2L1Z8005DD
Radiator hose, upper, radiator to engine Dayco 72249 $17.00 ebay 1 3/4" x 1 3/4" ID
Radiator hose, lower, radiator to connector Dayco 72413 $30.00 Amazon 1 3/4" x 1 1/2" ID
Radiator hose, lower, connector to engine Dayco 72414 $30.00 Amazon 1 1/2" x 1 1/2" ID
Radiator hose connector $15.00 ebay 1 1/2" x 1 1/2" OD 304 SS
Constant tension hose clamps Gates 23657 $28.00 Amazon
Fan clutch Motorcraft YB3042 $83.00 Rock Auto 1 7/16" wrench
Harmonic balancer puller bolts GR5 McMaster M8x1.25x5" ??
Harmonic balancer installer Cal-Van 38800 $42.00 Amazon M12x15
#5
11-23-2018, 11:13 AM
Here's my working parts list of things I might need for our 2003 5.4L 2v Expedition. (Apparently spaces are suppressed so it doesn't look like a chart)
The timing set comes with the plastic tensioners.
The plastic ones do not have a ratchet mechanism which the cast iron ones have.
Part Brand No. Price Supplier Notes
Timing chain kit Cloyes 9-0391SB $128.00 Amazon
Cast tensioner, left Cloyes 9-5338 $36.00 ebay Cast iron, ratcheting
Cast tensioner, right Cloyes 9-5339 $36.00 ebay Cast iron, ratcheting
Oil pump Melling M176 $54.00 ebay Steel back plate
Oil pan gasket Motorcraft 3L3Z6710AA $22.00 ebay
Oil pressure sensor Motorcraft SW6357 $8.00 ebay 7 psi switch
Water pump/O-ring Motorcraft PW423 $28.00 Amazon O-ring included: F1VY-8507-A
Water pump O-ring Fel-Pro 413 $5.00 Amazon .688" ID x .875" OD
Gasket - timing cover Fel-Pro TCS 45982-1 $30.00 Amazon
Gasket - valve covers Fel-Pro VS 50481R $32.00 Amazon
Harmonic balancer Dorman 594-206 $60.00 Amazon
Thermostat Motorcraft RT1234 $10.00 Amazon 190 deg
Thermostat O-ring Motorcraft RG571 $6.00 Amazon Top side of thermostat
Stant 25290 .139" - ID 1.984", OD 2.262"
Thermostat housing Dorman 902-1005 $12.00 Amazon
Radiator 2 row - 2L1Z8005DD
Radiator hose, upper, radiator to engine Dayco 72249 $17.00 ebay 1 3/4" x 1 3/4" ID
Radiator hose, lower, radiator to connector Dayco 72413 $30.00 Amazon 1 3/4" x 1 1/2" ID
Radiator hose, lower, connector to engine Dayco 72414 $30.00 Amazon 1 1/2" x 1 1/2" ID
Radiator hose connector $15.00 ebay 1 1/2" x 1 1/2" OD 304 SS
Constant tension hose clamps Gates 23657 $28.00 Amazon
Fan clutch Motorcraft YB3042 $83.00 Rock Auto 1 7/16" wrench
Harmonic balancer puller bolts GR5 McMaster M8x1.25x5" ??
Harmonic balancer installer Cal-Van 38800 $42.00 Amazon M12x15
The timing set comes with the plastic tensioners.
The plastic ones do not have a ratchet mechanism which the cast iron ones have.
Part Brand No. Price Supplier Notes
Timing chain kit Cloyes 9-0391SB $128.00 Amazon
Cast tensioner, left Cloyes 9-5338 $36.00 ebay Cast iron, ratcheting
Cast tensioner, right Cloyes 9-5339 $36.00 ebay Cast iron, ratcheting
Oil pump Melling M176 $54.00 ebay Steel back plate
Oil pan gasket Motorcraft 3L3Z6710AA $22.00 ebay
Oil pressure sensor Motorcraft SW6357 $8.00 ebay 7 psi switch
Water pump/O-ring Motorcraft PW423 $28.00 Amazon O-ring included: F1VY-8507-A
Water pump O-ring Fel-Pro 413 $5.00 Amazon .688" ID x .875" OD
Gasket - timing cover Fel-Pro TCS 45982-1 $30.00 Amazon
Gasket - valve covers Fel-Pro VS 50481R $32.00 Amazon
Harmonic balancer Dorman 594-206 $60.00 Amazon
Thermostat Motorcraft RT1234 $10.00 Amazon 190 deg
Thermostat O-ring Motorcraft RG571 $6.00 Amazon Top side of thermostat
Stant 25290 .139" - ID 1.984", OD 2.262"
Thermostat housing Dorman 902-1005 $12.00 Amazon
Radiator 2 row - 2L1Z8005DD
Radiator hose, upper, radiator to engine Dayco 72249 $17.00 ebay 1 3/4" x 1 3/4" ID
Radiator hose, lower, radiator to connector Dayco 72413 $30.00 Amazon 1 3/4" x 1 1/2" ID
Radiator hose, lower, connector to engine Dayco 72414 $30.00 Amazon 1 1/2" x 1 1/2" ID
Radiator hose connector $15.00 ebay 1 1/2" x 1 1/2" OD 304 SS
Constant tension hose clamps Gates 23657 $28.00 Amazon
Fan clutch Motorcraft YB3042 $83.00 Rock Auto 1 7/16" wrench
Harmonic balancer puller bolts GR5 McMaster M8x1.25x5" ??
Harmonic balancer installer Cal-Van 38800 $42.00 Amazon M12x15
Yeah those cast iron tensioners I understand are preferred...pretty sure I seen a Melling set on amazon that had everything chain, gears , tensioners & guides or is there a reason you went with Cloyes???
I resently replaced my water pump....will it need to come off again or can that come off with timing chain cover as a unit?
#6
11-23-2018, 01:45 PM
Fleet Mechanic
... ...pretty sure I seen a Melling set on amazon that had everything chain, gears , tensioners & guides ... or is there a reason you went with Cloyes???
I recently replaced my water pump....will it need to come off again or can that come off with timing chain cover as a unit?
I recently replaced my water pump....will it need to come off again or can that come off with timing chain cover as a unit?
There might be a chain kit from a year or two earlier that comes with the cast iron tensioners that might work.
I've used Cloyes chains and Melling pumps in the past and liked them.
This is the first Triton engine I've worked on other than service items.
Not sure about the water pump, I was going to replace it since it is original.
Was going to do the radiator, too, and I'm fairly sure the radiator is 2 row, but can't find anyone who carries one that isn't 1 row.
I think I've seen all aluminum 2 rows, but they're a bit pricey.
Our '92 & '93 Explorer plastic tank radiators split after 20 years/100k so that's probably an age out issue like tires.
The Exped radiator is now 16 years/170k so I figured if I replaced it now while it's out I'd get another 16 years/170k.
#7
11-23-2018, 02:39 PM
The list is stuff I might need as I dig down to the timing chains.
There might be a chain kit from a year or two earlier that comes with the cast iron tensioners that might work.
I've used Cloyes chains and Melling pumps in the past and liked them.
This is the first Triton engine I've worked on other than service items.
Not sure about the water pump, I was going to replace it since it is original.
Was going to do the radiator, too, and I'm fairly sure the radiator is 2 row, but can't find anyone who carries one that isn't 1 row.
I think I've seen all aluminum 2 rows, but they're a bit pricey.
Our '92 & '93 Explorer plastic tank radiators split after 20 years/100k so that's probably an age out issue like tires.
The Exped radiator is now 16 years/170k so I figured if I replaced it now while it's out I'd get another 16 years/170k.
There might be a chain kit from a year or two earlier that comes with the cast iron tensioners that might work.
I've used Cloyes chains and Melling pumps in the past and liked them.
This is the first Triton engine I've worked on other than service items.
Not sure about the water pump, I was going to replace it since it is original.
Was going to do the radiator, too, and I'm fairly sure the radiator is 2 row, but can't find anyone who carries one that isn't 1 row.
I think I've seen all aluminum 2 rows, but they're a bit pricey.
Our '92 & '93 Explorer plastic tank radiators split after 20 years/100k so that's probably an age out issue like tires.
The Exped radiator is now 16 years/170k so I figured if I replaced it now while it's out I'd get another 16 years/170k.
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#8
11-23-2018, 05:08 PM
Fleet Mechanic
I went with MC water pump and aftermarket radiator when I did mine a yr or so ago. The radiator was wider then stock one it replaced it wasn't terrible at cooling and wasn't leaking but I'm pretty sure the transmission cooler was not performing well inside the radiator. This all was done when I replaced the intake manifold a year to year and half ago. I dug around a bit to see what radiator I got but I can't find that info right off
I don't think a wider radiator will fit in our Exped.
What was wrong with the intake - vacuum leak?
Thanks for reminding me, the trans cooler in my radiator is blocked, so I definitely want to get a new radiator.
I'm currently running 2 large B&M flat plate coolers for the trans.
#9
11-23-2018, 10:32 PM
What vehicle do you have? (I don't see a Signature)
I don't think a wider radiator will fit in our Exped.
What was wrong with the intake - vacuum leak?
Thanks for reminding me, the trans cooler in my radiator is blocked, so I definitely want to get a new radiator.
I'm currently running 2 large B&M flat plate coolers for the trans.
I don't think a wider radiator will fit in our Exped.
What was wrong with the intake - vacuum leak?
Thanks for reminding me, the trans cooler in my radiator is blocked, so I definitely want to get a new radiator.
I'm currently running 2 large B&M flat plate coolers for the trans.
I replaced the intake manifold because the crossover was leaking coolant and I long suspected a small vacuum leak in the plastic.
My truck has the FX4 package, so it also had a additional trans cooler which I also replaced.
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