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Old 11-19-2018, 05:32 AM
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1965 Ford HT950

Hello, I am a new member and would like to ask for help on this truck identification? This was my father-in-lawís truck and after he died my wife has asked me to get it running again. It was driven into and remained in his barn since 1975. Was used as a logging truck. Itís a 2 seater cab over motor (text continue below) (5 total pictures)

After pulling it out of barn and washing off 40 years of dirt

This plate is on the drivers side of engine block about half way back. Part 189020, Patt 189020, 40001 CD, Made in USA

On what I believe is the fuel injector on drivers side of engine.

Data plate on driverís door. Looks like : A95ZU600134, WB 146 (might be J46), Model A950, F91, Axle ó8F, Max GVW 41000, Cert net HP [email protected], DSO 610022 There is also a # on the frame near front: 5583R01 8 11

Another data plate picture.

that tilts forward. I believe a 60ís Model. Says 950 below the door. Ford & Diesel on the front. The engine has yellow paint. It has 2 rear axles. I need to find out what engine & transmission. it has so I can start getting parts like filters etc Any advice on awakening a diesel thatís been sleeping for 40+ years would be appreciated as well. Thanks so much. If I can get it running again the plan is to use it to haul classic cars to local shows in memory of my father-in-law.
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Thanks for the replies. Helps a lot. I talked to Cummins today and they are going to try to help me with engine parts. The transmission has a drive shaft to the first rear axle and then there is a second driveshaft to the other one. Iíll send more pictures.

Cummins fuel system

Number on air intake

12 volt glow plug rubber hose is from air filter which now is full of mouse nest

Starter/ solenoid

Not sure what this is. On chassis on passenger side.

Voltage regulator?

Number on exhaust manifold

Is this an air tank?

Alternator

On drivers side. Is the oil filter inside this canister?



Itís been sitting inside a pole barn since 1975. But was used as a produce hauler and then a logging truck after that. Always in Texas or LA. When my father-in-law quit logging he drove it in the barn.



So if it is a HT 850 Ford truck, why does it say 950 on the side? I also found a website that sells factory manuals.[img]blob:https://www.ford-trucks.com/8597d0ec...5-3e3a97ce2bee



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Thanks for all the information. Your help is fueling my passion even more to get this big rig going again. It belonged to my father-in-law, Eddie Ray Pickler, so there is some emotional attachment here. He shared and fueled my interest in cars and trucks. (We restored a 1941 International H model tractor that belonged to my uncle.) So, he took me out to his barn about 6 years ago to show me his truck and proposed that he would like to see me get it going one day. He died about 5 years ago. My wife, mother-in-law, her sister etc has asked me to try and do this. So I went and got the Ford and have it at my shop. My plan if it works is to use this in memory of Eddie Pickler to haul classic cars to shows.

I am a big Carroll Shelby fan and this is the exact same truck he used to haul his cobras and GT 350's to the racetrack. I actually have a photograph I will post here of what looks like the same truck with a trailer of shelby mustangs on it. And after his success in European racing, he used a truck like this to haul a trailer of Ford's racers, a GT 350, GT 40, 289 Cobra, and Daytona Coupe around the USA to display at different shows and dealers.

OK so here is the question? Do y'all have any advice on where I can find a step by step plan to prepare this engine to run again? Is it similar to a gas burner? I would like to do this first before I invest any time and $ into getting this truck going again. Do I need to change all the filters? The oil even though it looks good? The fuel? Electrical? Prelubrication? I have awakened gas engines but this is my first diesel. I watched some YOU tube videos where it appears folks have walked up to an old semi and climbed in and cranked it after 40 years although I am sure they did some prep work first.



Picture of the Shelby Ford Caravan.

Looks like this truck may have a sleeper & an A/C
Well, good news. I put a battery on the truck this last weekend and the engine turns over easily with the key. It was not enough power to attempt a start but turned over the engine slowly several times. I am still looking for a replacement fuel filter. Once I get that I believe it will be ready for a 2 or 3 battery to attempt a fire up. The oil looks like it was changed before the truck was put up so I will probably run it some first before changing it. The air intake was full of mouse nest and dirt in the oil so I have cleaned it out. Interestingly , the air intake runs under the back deck behind the seats in the cab and out to a wire mesh in the passenger side door. Cummins said the data plate on the engine suggested it was a 1957 model which sounds strange since the truck is a 65. It appears to be original as well.
Ted





Thanks so much. I will call those places. Cummins said the new Fleetgard # was FF-105. Here is a pic of the engine plate.


Engine data plate for Cummins in 65 Ford HT 950



Well, yesterday was an exciting & memorable one to say the least. After sorting out numerous things on the truck we were finally able to attempt a start. The old Cummins came to life and spewed our smoke as well as dirt dobber and mouse nests from the exhaust. After running a while it cleared and runs very smooth. 70# oil pressure. After filling with water we chased several leaks. One small leak in the fuel drain manifold that needs fixing. Had to find a NOS intake manifold as the original was toast. Overall though it was a magical experience. Now the the work starts. If I can figure out how oput a video on here will do. Otherwise send me your email if you want to hear it run.
Ted



well, Saturday we got on the truck again. Repaired the drain fuel manifold and it does not leak. However, when cranking the truck, it would not continue to run. Found out that the Cummins injection pump wasnít pumping. On further investigation, a small key inside was broken & so now Iím looking to get it rebuilt.
Also, found a LuberFiner 750 oil filter for the secondary.





Good evening everyone. Well I found a data plate on the transmission tonight while I was working on the truck. Can yíall help me ID it? Looks like the word Eaton is on the bottom.


Looks like: C4RTS-7003-B
RT-910 2800473





Here is a picture I posted about a month ago. It has a Cummins NHE 195 diesel. Got it running couple weeks ago until fuel pump quit. Going to rebuild it.
good evening everyone,
I am continuing to work on this truck. Am considering removing the Cab so I can work on it easier as well as the motor/chassis. Do you have any advise on cab removal instructions or website with this?
Thanks,
Ted
 
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Old 11-19-2018, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Dittle View Post
Hello, I am a new member and would like to ask for help on this truck identification? This was my father-in-law’s truck and after he died my wife has asked me to get it running again. It was driven into and remained in his barn since 1975. Was used as a logging truck. It’s a 2 seater cab over motor (text continue below) (5 total pictures)


Warranty Plate: A95ZU600134 / WB: 146 / COLOR: Blank* / MODEL: A950 / BODY: F91 / TRANS: Blank* / AXLE: -8F* / MAX GVW LBS: 41000 / CERT NET HP: 184 / RPM: 1950 / DSO 610022

The pics of the two ID plates that I deleted, are not FoMoCo related.

A95 = HT950 (diesel).

Z = Cummins model NHE-195 743 cid 6 Cylinder Diesel.

U = Louisville KY Assembly Plant.

600134 = 1965.

146" Wheelbase.

No COLOR code.*

A950 = HT950 (diesel) .. 41,000 lbs. GVWR

F91: F = Black all Vinyl / 91 = 91A Standard Cab or 91B Custom Cab.

No TRANS code.*

8 = Rear Axle, the first digit is blank* / F = Rockwell/Timken model FE-970 11,000 lbs. Capacity Front Axle.

41,000 lbs. Gross Vehicle Weight Rating.

184 net HP @ 1,950 RPM

610022:

61 = Dallas TX Ford District Sales Office, where the original selling dealer ordered the truck from.

0022 = Domestic Special Order number, truck ordered special by the original purchaser, not "bought off the lot."

*No codes stamped on the Warranty Plate-makes it a DSO: The paint was a non standard color, the trans and rear axles were installed after the truck left the assembly line.

There's no way to know what color the paint formula was, who manufactured the trans and axle today, because FoMoCo THREW AWAY the DSO records decades ago.

Finding parts for this truck will be very difficult, all are obsolete and Ford did not make very many 1961/66 H/HT (T = Tandem Axle) over the road tractors.

The C series 550/1100 Tilt Cabs were made from 1957 thru 1986 and were far more popular.

I've been a member of FTE for 12 years and this is the first HT I've seen here.

Pic: Column right, 4th entry: H/HT series.










 
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Old 11-19-2018, 03:52 PM
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Nice rig!!! It is what's known as a "Two Story Falcon" in Ford truck enthusiast circles - kinda like the Bumpside and Dentside monikers are used to denote '67-'72 and '73-'79 F-Series respectively. Some of them had sleepers - the same sleeper 'cap' that was put on C-Series trucks.

Can't believe that this is the first one NumberDummy has seen here. More pics are probably in order...

Is the rear rear axle belt-driven?

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Old 11-19-2018, 05:31 PM
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As much rust as you have there it looks like it wintered in the north east. But I see you are in LA. Maybe some drives on the Gulf beach?
 
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Can't believe that this is the first one NumberDummy has seen here. More pics are probably in order...
How many have you seen here on FTE? I not only have never seen one here or decoded a VIN before, but have never seen one in person!

Here in LA LA Land, these BIG trucks were sold new and serviced only by truck dealers.

City Ford in Los Angeles on north Broadway east of Chinatown, Peck Road Ford Trucks in El Monte, Carmenita Ford Trucks in Cerritos, Trans-West Ford Trucks in Fontana.
 
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I started driving big rigs in 78, saw pics of H-HT models but never seen one in person.
H-HT models had a short product run and where replaced by the W-WT series.
W-WT series was replaced in 78 by the CL-CLT models which was the last HD cabover model built by Ford.
I owned a 83 CLT9000.
 
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So if it is a HT 850 Ford truck, why does it say 950 on the side? I also found a website that sells factory manuals.[img]blob:https://www.ford-trucks.com/8597d0ec...5-3e3a97ce2bee
I goofed, it is an HT950. I corrected post #2 to reflect this.
 
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How many have you seen here on FTE? I not only have never seen one here or decoded a VIN before, but have never seen one in person!

Here in LA LA Land, these BIG trucks were sold new and serviced only by truck dealers.

City Ford on north Broadway east of Chinatown, Peck Road Ford Trucks in El Monte, Carmenita Ford Trucks in Cerritos, Trans-West Ford Trucks in Fontana.
I guess it might be the first for me, but I'm not totally sure. There's gotta be a thread about them here somewhere!

But I actually do remember seeing these on the road in the 1970s, as I was an incorrigible semi-truck lover as a kid. Perhaps they weren't as popular out West, in the land of Kenworths and Peterbilts and extra-long wheelbases for semi tractors. Back East is a different story - although I don't guess they were very popular in these parts either. There is some info and pics to be seen on the interwebs, but not a whole lot.

Those CL9000 cabovers on the other hand, while maybe not very popular, were said to be pretty darned good trucks, with their air-suspended cabs, and other innovations like easy-to-change dashboard gauges/instruments.

I'd love to have a Two Story Falcon, but then I'd love to have an old C-Series - at least I could legally drive a C-Series...

We had Peffley's Ford where I grew up, and they did sell some larger trucks. They had a huge gantry crane set up in their North lot, for working on the big stuff.

Thanks to Dittle for posting this here, and the pics!

And I believe that the round cylinder is an air tank, and that you are right about the voltage regulator. Northern Ohio is well represented on that truck!
 
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Thanks for the replies. Helps a lot. I talked to Cummins today and they are going to try to help me with engine parts. The transmission has a drive shaft to the first rear axle and then there is a second driveshaft to the other one. I’ll send more pictures.

Cummins fuel system

Number on air intake

12 volt glow plug rubber hose is from air filter which now is full of mouse nest

Starter/ solenoid

Not sure what this is. On chassis on passenger side.

Voltage regulator?

Number on exhaust manifold

Is this an air tank?

Alternator

On drivers side. Is the oil filter inside this canister?

Photo 1, Cummins PT injection pump, they used that style pump on several Cummins engines up into the 90's.
Photo 3, that's the intake adapter, if it had a glow plug it would be in place of the large bolt on top with a wire connected to it.
Photo 5, That tank contains the bypass oil filter, a secondary filter used on many big rigs back in the day, not seen much after the early 80's
Photo 8, Yes that's a air tank
Photo 10, Primary oil filter, on later 855 ci engines it was moved to the right side on the oil cooler and changed to spin on.

Looking at the second set of photos the H cab has a lot of similarities to the C cab only raised up with additional skirting around the bottom.
 
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First thing I'd do is make sure the engine hasn't set to long and stuck, I've started some that have set for 10 years or more but they weren't stuck.
 
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I am still looking for a replacement fuel filter.
C6TZ-9155-A .. Fuel Filter (Motorcraft FD-152) / Obsolete

All 1959/79 Cummins Diesel.

NOS PARTS LTD in Waxahachie TX has 5 = 972-937-2201.

GREEN SALES CO. in Cincinnati OH has 15 = 800-543-4959.

CARPENTER NOS OBSOLETE PARTS in Concord NC has 71 = 800-476-9653.

 
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Motorcraft FD-152 crosses to a Wix 33109, Cummins used that same filter up into the 90's

Post a pic of the Cummins data tag.
 
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OP trying to remove cab and looking for assistance:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...39ab705b5.jpeg
Here is a picture I posted about a month ago. It has a Cummins NHE 195 diesel. Got it running couple weeks ago until fuel pump quit. Going to rebuild it.good evening everyone,
I am continuing to work on this truck. Am considering removing the Cab so I can work on it easier as well as the motor/chassis. Do you have any advise on cab removal instructions or website with this?
Thanks,
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What equipment do you have available to lift the cab? Are you going to patch that cab or look for another one for parts or whole panels?
 
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Lifting the cab

I have large 10,000 lb crane in the ceiling of the shop that is adequate for lifting the cab I think. Plan on redoing the original cab. The only change might be to add one of the available sleeper caps if I could find one.
 

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