1965 F100 Shortbed with 352 FE Engine?
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1965 F100 Shortbed with 352 FE Engine?
Hi,
I bought an F100 short-bed from 1965 last year. The truck was imported to Germany a few years before and it seems, that I'm the third owner in Germany. I'm about to pull out the engine, due to oil consumption and oil leaking. The engine will be rebuild. By removing all things and working close to the engine I recognized, that the mounting of the engine looks a little bit strange. It seems, that there has been some modifications made to the mounting position and that might not be the original 352 engine. But I can't find detailed pictures of the mounted engines in this trucks, so maybe the experts here can give me some advice. What I can say is, that there have been made modifications to the shifting. It was build with column shifting, but now has floor shifting (3 speed manual).
Here are some pics from the mounting of the engine:
Right side mounting
Left side mounting
All over view
Thanks in advance for your help,
Joachim
I bought an F100 short-bed from 1965 last year. The truck was imported to Germany a few years before and it seems, that I'm the third owner in Germany. I'm about to pull out the engine, due to oil consumption and oil leaking. The engine will be rebuild. By removing all things and working close to the engine I recognized, that the mounting of the engine looks a little bit strange. It seems, that there has been some modifications made to the mounting position and that might not be the original 352 engine. But I can't find detailed pictures of the mounted engines in this trucks, so maybe the experts here can give me some advice. What I can say is, that there have been made modifications to the shifting. It was build with column shifting, but now has floor shifting (3 speed manual).
Here are some pics from the mounting of the engine:
Right side mounting
Left side mounting
All over view
Thanks in advance for your help,
Joachim
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The mounting of the engine seems stock to me. The heads on that engine are not stock to that truck since they have a C8AE-H casting on them, which implies first used in 1968. You can find similar casting numbers on the engine typically that can at least help ID if the engine is from the correct year ranges.
Chad
Chad
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The mounting of the engine seems stock to me. The heads on that engine are not stock to that truck since they have a C8AE-H casting on them, which implies first used in 1968. You can find similar casting numbers on the engine typically that can at least help ID if the engine is from the correct year ranges.
Chad
Chad
thanks a lot. Well this are good news. I was a little bit confused, because of the engine mounting and thought of heavy problems. I think the engine is quite a little "best of" set up (or et least best of available parts set up). I will check out all numbers, once the engine is out of the car and post them here. I really love this truck, as it is my first truck and my first V8. I really hope to bring it back to perfect shape.
Joachim
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Powered by Ford valve covers introduced in 1967, the vertical oil filter adapter is from a car.
Edit: The intake manifold with the oil fill tube is from a 1958/64 car.
Edit: Since these FE engines were only installed in cars, the bolt pattern on the block where the rubber insulators bolt on, is different than 1965/76 FE engines.
Edit: In order to use FE truck rubber insulators on 1958/64 FE engines, R/L brackets have to be made up to install them.
Edit: Suggest looking for the engine block casting number and casting date code. Even though the C8AE-H heads are from a 1968/71 360/390, what is the block from?
Lower pic: 1965/66 F100/250 2WD; 1967/72 F100/250 2WD & F350 engine mounting system.
Edit: The intake manifold with the oil fill tube is from a 1958/64 car.
Edit: Since these FE engines were only installed in cars, the bolt pattern on the block where the rubber insulators bolt on, is different than 1965/76 FE engines.
Edit: In order to use FE truck rubber insulators on 1958/64 FE engines, R/L brackets have to be made up to install them.
Edit: Suggest looking for the engine block casting number and casting date code. Even though the C8AE-H heads are from a 1968/71 360/390, what is the block from?
Lower pic: 1965/66 F100/250 2WD; 1967/72 F100/250 2WD & F350 engine mounting system.
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Hey, thank you very much for all the great information. I will check all the numbers on the whole engine, after it is taken out. This will be done next Saturday. It will be a big help to get information about the engine, because we will need some spare parts, I think.
Vielen Dank :-)
Joachim
Vielen Dank :-)
Joachim
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I was trying to see what else I could tell you from the picture, but most of it you probably already can tell:
- Headers put in to replace Exhaust Manifolds
- Harmonic Balancer replaced with a multi-belt serpentine pully, probably for an A/C system.
- From the factory these only had one Positive Crankcase Ventilation valves (PCV) on the valve covers and it was on the passenger side.
- What's the fuel pump situation? Was it replaced with an electronic or is it still running the mechanical?
Other than those, everything looks original or in very good nick. How clean was it when you got it (looks like you've been cleaning it). I'm just breaking mine down and I've had lots of oil blown out of mine in the 50 years since it was new. Currently replacing all gaskets and seals on mine along with the water pump, Harmonic Balancer, points, and maybe the fuel pump (still deciding).
- Headers put in to replace Exhaust Manifolds
- Harmonic Balancer replaced with a multi-belt serpentine pully, probably for an A/C system.
- From the factory these only had one Positive Crankcase Ventilation valves (PCV) on the valve covers and it was on the passenger side.
- What's the fuel pump situation? Was it replaced with an electronic or is it still running the mechanical?
Other than those, everything looks original or in very good nick. How clean was it when you got it (looks like you've been cleaning it). I'm just breaking mine down and I've had lots of oil blown out of mine in the 50 years since it was new. Currently replacing all gaskets and seals on mine along with the water pump, Harmonic Balancer, points, and maybe the fuel pump (still deciding).
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I was trying to see what else I could tell you from the picture, but most of it you probably already can tell:
- Headers put in to replace Exhaust Manifolds
- Harmonic Balancer replaced with a multi-belt serpentine pully, probably for an A/C system.
- From the factory these only had one Positive Crankcase Ventilation valves (PCV) on the valve covers and it was on the passenger side.
- What's the fuel pump situation? Was it replaced with an electronic or is it still running the mechanical?
Other than those, everything looks original or in very good nick. How clean was it when you got it (looks like you've been cleaning it). I'm just breaking mine down and I've had lots of oil blown out of mine in the 50 years since it was new. Currently replacing all gaskets and seals on mine along with the water pump, Harmonic Balancer, points, and maybe the fuel pump (still deciding).
- Headers put in to replace Exhaust Manifolds
- Harmonic Balancer replaced with a multi-belt serpentine pully, probably for an A/C system.
- From the factory these only had one Positive Crankcase Ventilation valves (PCV) on the valve covers and it was on the passenger side.
- What's the fuel pump situation? Was it replaced with an electronic or is it still running the mechanical?
Other than those, everything looks original or in very good nick. How clean was it when you got it (looks like you've been cleaning it). I'm just breaking mine down and I've had lots of oil blown out of mine in the 50 years since it was new. Currently replacing all gaskets and seals on mine along with the water pump, Harmonic Balancer, points, and maybe the fuel pump (still deciding).
I will keep you updated :-)
Have a nice day
Joachim
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Joachim, there's a bunch of Ford V8 guys in Germany. Theo's a motorhead and all-round genius living in Potsdam, or he used to. He's no longer around the FE forums but I think he runs the MEL engine forum. He might have parts or know how to find them locally. Good luck!
Eric
Eric
thanks for the information. I will see, how to get in touch of Theo.
Joachim