1994 f350 7.3l idi wont start
#1
1994 f350 7.3l idi wont start
Ive thrown lots of parts at it does not start
changed glowplugs injectors gpr bought 2new batteries and new starter new injection pump new lift pump bled all the lines and primed the pumps but my truck just doesnt want to start cranks all day long but still wont start ive even tried plugging it in block heater works but it wont start im running out of options please help
changed glowplugs injectors gpr bought 2new batteries and new starter new injection pump new lift pump bled all the lines and primed the pumps but my truck just doesnt want to start cranks all day long but still wont start ive even tried plugging it in block heater works but it wont start im running out of options please help
#3
Are you getting fuel to the injectors?
If not, are you getting 12V to your FSS spade?
If yes, how much is coming out? A lot or a drop?
If a lot, then what's your voltage on the batteries with the key off? Have your batteries checked. I had a new battery once with a bad cell and it would turn over but never start. Even with a jump, that bad cell would keep it from starting.
If a drop or no fuel at the injectors, then it could be a stuck metering valve. If you are more handy than the average bear, then you could try fiddling the valve, but it's not for the amateur mechanic:
If you have still done all this and it still doesn't start, then I'd suspect timing is off. Do you have a timing gun and ferret meter? What is your IDI timing after you changed the IP? When you took the IP off, did you leave the gearhousing on, or did you take off the IP gear with the IP?
If you took off the IP gear with the housing and IP, then you probably skipped a tooth and ruined the timing. You'll need to pull the front plate off and re-time the gears.
If not, are you getting 12V to your FSS spade?
If yes, how much is coming out? A lot or a drop?
If a lot, then what's your voltage on the batteries with the key off? Have your batteries checked. I had a new battery once with a bad cell and it would turn over but never start. Even with a jump, that bad cell would keep it from starting.
If a drop or no fuel at the injectors, then it could be a stuck metering valve. If you are more handy than the average bear, then you could try fiddling the valve, but it's not for the amateur mechanic:
If you have still done all this and it still doesn't start, then I'd suspect timing is off. Do you have a timing gun and ferret meter? What is your IDI timing after you changed the IP? When you took the IP off, did you leave the gearhousing on, or did you take off the IP gear with the IP?
If you took off the IP gear with the housing and IP, then you probably skipped a tooth and ruined the timing. You'll need to pull the front plate off and re-time the gears.
#4
Ive thrown lots of parts at it does not start
changed glowplugs injectors gpr bought 2new batteries and new starter new injection pump new lift pump bled all the lines and primed the pumps but my truck just doesnt want to start cranks all day long but still wont start ive even tried plugging it in block heater works but it wont start im running out of options please help
changed glowplugs injectors gpr bought 2new batteries and new starter new injection pump new lift pump bled all the lines and primed the pumps but my truck just doesnt want to start cranks all day long but still wont start ive even tried plugging it in block heater works but it wont start im running out of options please help
1) You checked the glow plugs and they now test good via a test light or volt meter.
2) You show good function from the glow plug controller and the glow plugs do cycle.
3) You are getting fuel to the injectors, since you stated you have bled them.
So if the above is correct, and you are getting fuel delivered to the cylinders, with new injectors, new lines and Ts (I am assuming), new glow plug system. Then the only thing left is timing or a failure in the engine that is not repairable easily (example: burned through pistons or blown rings). So I would ask, when cranking, does the truck smoke? When you cycle your glow plugs does the Wait to start or Glow Plugs light turn on for about 12 seconds and then shut off? Have you attempted to disable the glow plug system and start the engine with a small (very small) spray of ether to test the engine for function? These questions will get us to where we need to be.
#6
When cranking if you don't see smoke your not getting any fuel, also when bleeding the injectors don't tighten them all the way until they are actually squirting out fuel to the point it sprays of stuff, i get em barely snug, they will start to dribble but you need to keep cranking until they actually squirt.
If your getting fuel to the injectors and its a good squirt but it still won't start you could unplug the glow plugs and give er just a sniff of ether and say half pedal when you crank and even with low compression it should try to start. Just don't give it too much ether or it'll vapor lock and you'll have to drag start it (hopefully you have a standard) It takes quite a bit to vapor lock it though, just a puff down the air cleaner is all it takes.
Once it at least halfway runs you can diagnose how good and if it's erratic and surges then you have air getting in somewhere.
If your getting fuel to the injectors and its a good squirt but it still won't start you could unplug the glow plugs and give er just a sniff of ether and say half pedal when you crank and even with low compression it should try to start. Just don't give it too much ether or it'll vapor lock and you'll have to drag start it (hopefully you have a standard) It takes quite a bit to vapor lock it though, just a puff down the air cleaner is all it takes.
Once it at least halfway runs you can diagnose how good and if it's erratic and surges then you have air getting in somewhere.
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Are you getting fuel to the injectors?
If not, are you getting 12V to your FSS spade?
If yes, how much is coming out? A lot or a drop?
If a lot, then what's your voltage on the batteries with the key off? Have your batteries checked. I had a new battery once with a bad cell and it would turn over but never start. Even with a jump, that bad cell would keep it from starting.
If a drop or no fuel at the injectors, then it could be a stuck metering valve. If you are more handy than the average bear, then you could try fiddling the valve, but it's not for the amateur mechanic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzQ1zakyXDU
If you have still done all this and it still doesn't start, then I'd suspect timing is off. Do you have a timing gun and ferret meter? What is your IDI timing after you changed the IP? When you took the IP off, did you leave the gearhousing on, or did you take off the IP gear with the IP?
If you took off the IP gear with the housing and IP, then you probably skipped a tooth and ruined the timing. You'll need to pull the front plate off and re-time the gears.
If not, are you getting 12V to your FSS spade?
If yes, how much is coming out? A lot or a drop?
If a lot, then what's your voltage on the batteries with the key off? Have your batteries checked. I had a new battery once with a bad cell and it would turn over but never start. Even with a jump, that bad cell would keep it from starting.
If a drop or no fuel at the injectors, then it could be a stuck metering valve. If you are more handy than the average bear, then you could try fiddling the valve, but it's not for the amateur mechanic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzQ1zakyXDU
If you have still done all this and it still doesn't start, then I'd suspect timing is off. Do you have a timing gun and ferret meter? What is your IDI timing after you changed the IP? When you took the IP off, did you leave the gearhousing on, or did you take off the IP gear with the IP?
If you took off the IP gear with the housing and IP, then you probably skipped a tooth and ruined the timing. You'll need to pull the front plate off and re-time the gears.
now i did notice that the sensor at the top of the housing has a magnet on it and the wires are fraied alittle and looks like its been leaking oil at the top of them
#9
Ok, I am going to make some assumptions here about the condition of the truck.
1) You checked the glow plugs and they now test good via a test light or volt meter.
2) You show good function from the glow plug controller and the glow plugs do cycle.
3) You are getting fuel to the injectors, since you stated you have bled them.
So if the above is correct, and you are getting fuel delivered to the cylinders, with new injectors, new lines and Ts (I am assuming), new glow plug system. Then the only thing left is timing or a failure in the engine that is not repairable easily (example: burned through pistons or blown rings). So I would ask, when cranking, does the truck smoke? When you cycle your glow plugs does the Wait to start or Glow Plugs light turn on for about 12 seconds and then shut off? Have you attempted to disable the glow plug system and start the engine with a small (very small) spray of ether to test the engine for function? These questions will get us to where we need to be.
1) You checked the glow plugs and they now test good via a test light or volt meter.
2) You show good function from the glow plug controller and the glow plugs do cycle.
3) You are getting fuel to the injectors, since you stated you have bled them.
So if the above is correct, and you are getting fuel delivered to the cylinders, with new injectors, new lines and Ts (I am assuming), new glow plug system. Then the only thing left is timing or a failure in the engine that is not repairable easily (example: burned through pistons or blown rings). So I would ask, when cranking, does the truck smoke? When you cycle your glow plugs does the Wait to start or Glow Plugs light turn on for about 12 seconds and then shut off? Have you attempted to disable the glow plug system and start the engine with a small (very small) spray of ether to test the engine for function? These questions will get us to where we need to be.
#10
Could be a wore starter, these engines need to spin so fast or they simply WILL NOT START
If you have a volt meter you can check what the battery voltage drops to when cranking, it if drops below eleven or so and the batteries are good you have a bad starter most likely
A lot of times though, you can take that starter apart on a bench, clean it out with diesel and a wire brush, sand the brushes and contact points with fine sand paper and she will keep going for along time. Just wash the diesel off with water and grease the ends of the shaft lightly.
If it really spins fast enough but doesn't do anything with ether your still not getting fuel, it takes a lot of ether for theses trucks to run, without fuel spraying in the cylinder mine won't start no matter how much I give it, unless I wanted to take things into the danger zone. So I bleed it a little more til a sniff does the trick. Sometimes it takes a while especially with a weak starter
If you have a volt meter you can check what the battery voltage drops to when cranking, it if drops below eleven or so and the batteries are good you have a bad starter most likely
A lot of times though, you can take that starter apart on a bench, clean it out with diesel and a wire brush, sand the brushes and contact points with fine sand paper and she will keep going for along time. Just wash the diesel off with water and grease the ends of the shaft lightly.
If it really spins fast enough but doesn't do anything with ether your still not getting fuel, it takes a lot of ether for theses trucks to run, without fuel spraying in the cylinder mine won't start no matter how much I give it, unless I wanted to take things into the danger zone. So I bleed it a little more til a sniff does the trick. Sometimes it takes a while especially with a weak starter
#11
What is the condition of your battery cables? You could have a healthy starter and good batteries but worn or corroded cables could keep your truck from starting. Given the state of the wiring harness of my truck I'm inclined to believe that engineers were either just really lazy "in the day" or didn't give a darn.
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i get smoke when its cranking glow plug light stays on for 12-15 seconds when i did disconnect the glowplugs and used small amount of ether the engine cranked but Didnt start it slowly cranked till it stoped cranking like batteries were dead but batteries were replaced 3 months ago and just took them in to be bench tested and rhey checkd fine
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