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What he said ^^
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I can't say anything to make it better, but hang in there Bill. We hope you come through safe.
 
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Hey Bill,

A couple more parts if I may:

7216 - this is the housing the gear shift sits in.
7221 - These are the "pins" in the side of the gear shift housing that are square on one end and round on the other.

Thanks!!!
 
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Originally Posted by rwrightsman
Hey Bill,

A couple more parts if I may:

7216 - this is the housing the gear shift sits in.

7221 - These are the "pins" in the side of the gear shift housing that are square on one end and round on the other.
What trans does it have?
B8T-7216-A .. Transmission Gear Shift Lever Collar / Obsolete

1958 C/CT550/1100 from production date 1/2/1958 / 1959/71 C/CT550/1100 / Ditto 1972 before serial number M60,001.

CARPENTER NOS OBSOLETE PARTS in Concord NC has 4 = 800-476-9653.

1964/72 Ford Truck Parts Catalog available on a C/D from hipoparts.com

 
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I have a 4 speed transmission

Thanks!
 
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Originally Posted by rwrightsman
I have a New Process 435 4 speed transmission.
7EQ-7221 .. Transmission Gear Shift Lever to Housing Pin / 1/4" O.D. x 11/16" long / Obsolete

1957/71 C/CT500/1100 / Ditto 1972 before serial number M60,001.

CARPENTER NOS OBSOLETE PARTS in Concord NC has 2 = 800-476-9653.

GREEN SALES CO. in Cincinnati OH has 37 = 800-543-4959.
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The NP435 shift lever retainer cap (B8T-7220-D) is stamped sheet metal, it's retained to the shift tower with these pins.

To remove this cap, it must be pressed down by hand and held down while turning it counterclockwise to remove it.

People unaware use pliers or channel locks to remove it, which tears out one or both of the notches. Not pleasant!

CARPENTER has 35.
 
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Bill,

Thanks very much for all your help with my project here. Once I finish the tower/pins on this, I'm thinking I'm done for a while. You've enabled me to accomplish this project and I'm eternally grateful!

Really nice of you to help me and all the other folks trying to make these old things remain useful.

-Roy
 
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My shift linkage is in good shape except for the ball where it goes through the floor. I suspect the spring is broken. Did you run into any surprises trying to get yours apart?
 
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Not really. I took a smaller screwdriver and small hammer and started unscrewing the spring from the bottom. Once I drove it around a half turn or so, it just unscrewed by hand from there. The top washer thing above the spring was fine, the spring was fine. The ball is good, the grooves in it are good too. What I found is that the cast tower is worn in the holes where the pins go through and they are slightly worn as well. That has allowed the gear shift to be loose from side to side; it swings probably 30 degrees now.

I'm planning on drilling the holes in the tower out and putting brass bearings in there and epoxying them in, then putting the pins in and putting it back together. Might not be perfect, but I think it will work. I've spent enough on it now, lol, but it's the last part of the shifting system that has any slop left in it.

I had to clean it all up real good to figure out how it came apart, but once I figured out the spring, it wasn't bad.
 
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
7EQ-7221 .. Transmission Gear Shift Lever to Housing Pin / 1/4" O.D. x 11/16" long / Obsolete

1957/71 C/CT500/1100 / Ditto 1972 before serial number M60,001.

CARPENTER NOS OBSOLETE PARTS in Concord NC has 2 = 800-476-9653.

GREEN SALES CO. in Cincinnati OH has 37 = 800-543-4959.
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The NP435 shift lever retainer cap (B8T-7220-D) is stamped sheet metal, it's retained to the shift tower with these pins.

To remove this cap, it must be pressed down by hand and held down while turning it counterclockwise to remove it.

People unaware use pliers or channel locks to remove it, which tears out one or both of the notches. Not pleasant!

CARPENTER has 35.
Pardon me for the random quoting. I'm doing research for a recent project I am starting into and previous owners said it struggles to get in reverse. 1971 c600 crane (Spicer 5756.B) narrowed it down to part number 7210 from the previous diagram breakdown. The whole ball shaft that comes through the floor. You go to pull the lever over to shift anywhere and it rotates like an old bus door opener. I'll try to source the other parts I need from your previous info. Any help is much appreciated thanks
 
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if we’re talking about the floor shifter rotating, you most likely need to replace the trunion pins.

The ball has a slot on either side of it.
the cast iron base has a hole drilled in either side of it. The trunion pins look like small square headed bolts minus the threads.

I was fortunate to find some NOS pins and base.

If hadn’t found the pins I don’t think it would have been too bad to fabricate some. They probably need to be hardened to stand up long term though.

Mine were so worn that they’d elongated the holes in the base but I’m sure a local machine shop could have sorted that out for me.

In any case 1st and reverse are easy now, and I don’t need a passenger to reach 4th for me.






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Pardon me for the random quoting. I'm doing research for a recent project I am starting into and previous owners said it struggles to get in reverse. 1971 c600 crane (Spicer 5756.B) narrowed it down to part number 7210 from the previous diagram breakdown. The whole ball shaft that comes through the floor. You go to pull the lever over to shift anywhere and it rotates like an old bus door opener. I'll try to source the other parts I need from your previous info. Any help is much appreciated thanks
 
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I should have mentioned that my truck is a 1963 they may have changed things by 1971
Below is a diagram of my shift linkage. Your mileage may vary.


Originally Posted by Hillbillysuv
if we’re talking about the floor shifter rotating, you most likely need to replace the trunion pins.

The ball has a slot on either side of it.
the cast iron base has a hole drilled in either side of it. The trunion pins look like small square headed bolts minus the threads.

I was fortunate to find some NOS pins and base.

If hadn’t found the pins I don’t think it would have been too bad to fabricate some. They probably need to be hardened to stand up long term though.

Mine were so worn that they’d elongated the holes in the base but I’m sure a local machine shop could have sorted that out for me.

In any case 1st and reverse are easy now, and I don’t need a passenger to reach 4th for me.
 
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Originally Posted by Hillbillysuv
I should have mentioned that my truck is a 1963 they may have changed things by 1971
Below is a diagram of my shift linkage. Your mileage may vary.

It looks pretty similar. Closest diagram I have found to mine. The pins are definitely shot inside of that spot. I have been trying to get them out. The whole bottom spring and everything on the under side has been ripped away. Trying to source those as well. It seems like the pins and the shaft going near them are pretty wiped out. I might be able to refab it so it's not so loose but was trying to source parts before I just break everything trying to get it all apart
 
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i’m at work now so I don’t have time to look it up but if you look through my post history you’ll see I made some posts about shifter issues.
NumbersDummy was kind enough to post the part number for the base, and a company that had a few still in stock.

You might also try looking at that parts diagram I posted. Those are the part numbers but they’ll be preceded with something like C5TE.

so a shifter boot for your 71 might be D1T?-7220

C= the decade B is 1950s C is 1960s D is 70s etc
the second digit is the year of the decade. So C5 would be 1965

TE = I’m not sure but I believe the T= truck and the last letter is the category but I don’t have my reference material handy.

you can search online for how old Ford part numbers work. I’m going from memory and I’m not sure I understood it to begin with.


I’ve often found that a part for my 63 won’t be found under C3T#-### but I can find it for a different year. So if I can’t find it under C3T#_#### I’ll try entering the first two digits for multiple years in either direction.

also some parts were used for other vehicles and may have their part number.

NumbersDummy would know for sure and is no doubt wincing at my explanation if he is reading this. Also, if he is reading this, I’d like to take the opportunity to say he is a national treasure.

You have to be careful when searching, because a lot of results come up that are very similar to the number you entered but are off by one letter or digit.



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It looks pretty similar. Closest diagram I have found to mine. The pins are definitely shot inside of that spot. I have been trying to get them out. The whole bottom spring and everything on the under side has been ripped away. Trying to source those as well. It seems like the pins and the shaft going near them are pretty wiped out. I might be able to refab it so it's not so loose but was trying to source parts before I just break everything trying to get it all apart
 
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