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Old 10-19-2018, 08:36 PM
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machining heads for more power



Does anyone have specific knowledge or experience with this?
Being a critical thinker, I realize that machining the heads will change the valve timing. (Or am I wrong?)

i have both heads off now. One is machined and rebuilt with valve job and stuff. But still not installed. the other one just got removed today and will go to the machine shop very soon.
So who has some good wisdom for me here?
 
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Old 10-20-2018, 08:18 AM
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If you mean machining as in milling the head surface, there's not much to be gained there. And the valve timing would change, but only slightly. .010" off the head surface might affect the cam timing ever so slightly. Raising the compression this way is also not going to amount to a whole lot.
 
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Old 10-20-2018, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Krewat
If you mean machining as in milling the head surface, there's not much to be gained there. And the valve timing would change, but only slightly. .010" off the head surface might affect the cam timing ever so slightly. Raising the compression this way is also not going to amount to a whole lot.
yes that’s exactly what I mean.
How can increasing compression not cause a decent improvement of power?

is there a business out there that specializes in Modular engine rebuilds?
 
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I'm not sure how much you can shave modular heads, and if it's just .010 or .020", that's not a huge compression bump, surely not enough to even feel or see on a dyno.
 
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Old 10-22-2018, 07:45 PM
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I found L&M Engines online and they seem to be experts with building modular Ford engines. I spoke to their shop foreman today about my overall “dilemma” and he said for me to not bother with machining the heads for increased compression. He said the small amount wouldn’t amount to anything valuable.

They build 1,000 hp race engines, so I guess they know enough to advise me in this sitch.

Oh well.
 
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Old 10-23-2018, 08:09 PM
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I agree!

Be advised that Ford has special head gaskets for heads that are milled. I assume they are thicker to add the thickness that was milled off.

I seen 3 different part numbers....Probably for different amounts shaved off head.

there should also be specifications for max amount that can be removed from head. Sorry I don't know what that spec is.
 
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Try Modular Head Shop in Florida, they could probably be more specific and offer any parts you may need they make a ton of modular engine parts themselves. I wanted to actually do their "Stock mod package" that consists of bowl porting, bronze valve guides, regrinding stock valves, performance valve job, surfacing and assembly is $1,500 and upgraded valve springs are $236.00 I never did it because they are in FL.
 
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Old 10-26-2018, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by SatinBlack03
Try Modular Head Shop in Florida, they could probably be more specific and offer any parts you may need they make a ton of modular engine parts themselves. I wanted to actually do their "Stock mod package" that consists of bowl porting, bronze valve guides, regrinding stock valves, performance valve job, surfacing and assembly is $1,500 and upgraded valve springs are $236.00 I never did it because they are in FL.
i spoke to them today. They advised that I’d be wasting my time/money by shooting for a small bump to compression. That’s three engine machinists that have given me the same advice. Two of which were Ford Modular specialists.

I did my diligence and now I can be content.
 
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I looked into a lot of performance items when I did my engine rebuild and it basically came down to the fact that I would only see slight gains with bolt on parts. IE: headers, exhaust, tune. The engine was bored over to accept the new pistons but not much and I bet I only gained 10 more rwhp if that from the engine bore. Realistically if you are wanting more power your gonna have to step into a diesel or look at the newer 3v v10's with the newer transmission. My brother has a 2009 V10 and to be honest our trucks feel about the same power wise, his transmission is much nicer for towing.
 
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To be clear I was just seeking the idea of “while I’m in there”... I had the passenger side head rebuilt and now the machine shop is my drivers side.
seems like a lot of people are thinking I just want more power. That’s a subject matter for another thread
 
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To be clear I was just seeking the idea of “while I’m in there”... I had the passenger side head rebuilt and now the machine shop is my drivers side.
seems like a lot of people are thinking I just want more power. That’s a subject matter for another thread
Just curios did you ask any of these machine shop and engine builders about cams? Do they make any aftermarket cams for the 10?
 
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Originally Posted by eddienelson
Just curios did you ask any of these machine shop and engine builders about cams? Do they make any aftermarket cams for the 10?
no I didn’t. People on this forum have talked about cams a lot in the past and it seems no company does them.

Besides that i probably wouldn’t bother with cams unless they were customer grind for low/mid power. Seems like aftermarket cams are all about high rpm horsepower. I want torque.
 
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