F-1 VIN Help
#16
Vins
Vins are fairly easy on the F1s, But there is still confusion between the 49's and the 50's. The number, after the letters is the key, but I have yet to see a breakdown of the numbers that tell you which year it actually is. I thought you could tell the difference between a '49 and a '50 by the wipers. 1949 trucks had only one windshield wiper, but I think all trucks came with a plug on the pass. side, and a 2nd wiper was an option. In 1950, I believe in the late models, 2 wipers were standard.. Lee
#17
On a 1993 S-10 frame with a 2" Drop Spindle in the front (not sure about the Springs) and a 3" block in the rear. 18" Ridler 695 Rims in gray Front and Rear. I thought it was cool but I think it is 1" maybe 2" too low for me. At this point the tires rub on even a partial turn and I don't want to bend anything.
The picture on the trailer, I have it cranked down pretty tight for the journey home. It sits a touch higher than depicted, but not much. I'm thinking Ridetech or Air Suspension of some sort in order to keep the low look but with the ability to bump up the height as needed.
Thoughts??
I only have the 1 wiper and one hole is plugged with a cap. You can see it in the picture of Firewall posted earlier. So Radarcarve, did I understand you correctly? Yet another vote for this being a 1950??
When I bought it.
The picture on the trailer, I have it cranked down pretty tight for the journey home. It sits a touch higher than depicted, but not much. I'm thinking Ridetech or Air Suspension of some sort in order to keep the low look but with the ability to bump up the height as needed.
Thoughts??
I only have the 1 wiper and one hole is plugged with a cap. You can see it in the picture of Firewall posted earlier. So Radarcarve, did I understand you correctly? Yet another vote for this being a 1950??
When I bought it.
#19
Sorry guys, my 48 had a knock-out for the second wiper. It was an option at the time. So that doesn't make it a '50. Only the serial number does that.
One of the reasons we started the data collection was to determine, if possible, where the year differential took place.
There are a lot of old wives tales that have been dispelled with the data.
However for a variety of reasons, it has been impossible to determine exactly where the year break took place. Ford, by their own practices, made it impossible to nail down.
Regarding your firewall stamping - many do not have it.
One of the reasons we started the data collection was to determine, if possible, where the year differential took place.
There are a lot of old wives tales that have been dispelled with the data.
However for a variety of reasons, it has been impossible to determine exactly where the year break took place. Ford, by their own practices, made it impossible to nail down.
Regarding your firewall stamping - many do not have it.
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In the reading I have done.
Blick,
I would bet:
97HC283245. Six cylinder Is a "9" so definitely not a '48 and the 283245 is not quite high enough to be a '50.
98RC41172. V8 truck: Is a "9" so definitely not a 48 and the 41172 is low enough to be a '49
So I would say 1 or both are 1949's
The experts will weigh in shortly.
Neal
Blick,
I would bet:
97HC283245. Six cylinder Is a "9" so definitely not a '48 and the 283245 is not quite high enough to be a '50.
98RC41172. V8 truck: Is a "9" so definitely not a 48 and the 41172 is low enough to be a '49
So I would say 1 or both are 1949's
The experts will weigh in shortly.
Neal
#23
It's already been determined that Neal's truck is a 1950, based on the information available. There's no voting necessary. In addition to Tim's comments above, it shows the importance of having the firewall stamping included with the serial number, if available, especially if the build time was anywhere near the year change. All 16 assembly plants used their own sequence of numbers, so having that data is also vital to accurately determine what you have.
The info from LMC, above, is dead wrong on several counts. Beginning for 1951, Ford changed the entire serial number sequence with different information added into it. They did not carry over the 97/98 prefix. They're also easily enough to determine by the fact it had a huge facelift to the sheetmetal.
Running changes to the '50 model were more than a shifter relocation. The biggest and most noticeable was the complete redesign of the construction of the pickup box, which included a change to the box sides to flat instead of having the stamped raised panel, revised stake pockets, and also the rear fender mounting flange was altered so the fenders could fit the new box side.The new box style was carried on into the 1970's.
The info from LMC, above, is dead wrong on several counts. Beginning for 1951, Ford changed the entire serial number sequence with different information added into it. They did not carry over the 97/98 prefix. They're also easily enough to determine by the fact it had a huge facelift to the sheetmetal.
Running changes to the '50 model were more than a shifter relocation. The biggest and most noticeable was the complete redesign of the construction of the pickup box, which included a change to the box sides to flat instead of having the stamped raised panel, revised stake pockets, and also the rear fender mounting flange was altered so the fenders could fit the new box side.The new box style was carried on into the 1970's.
#25
Titling goes by the serial numbers stamped on the frame; not what's on the glovebox or patent plate, unless you happen to catch the MVD folks when they are not being attentive. Since you no longer have a 48-50 frame, I think strictly speaking you will either have to get a State-assigned serial number/VIN or they may let you use the S10's VIN. If you already have a title and it says '48 Ford, may be better to stick with it. Dealing with MVD generally sucks.
#27
Both trucks have the " embossed" sides and floor shifter. I knew to get the stamped number from the firewall/cowl. Just got too excited to close the deal and skipped over it. The 97hc six cylinder truck data plates and firewall matched.
the otherf truck I am not sure of the stamping number.
the 49 I have already been working on doesn't have numbers stamped in the firewall
the otherf truck I am not sure of the stamping number.
the 49 I have already been working on doesn't have numbers stamped in the firewall
#28
97HC283245. Six cylinder
98RC41172. V8 truck
The six cylinder is probably an early 50, produced sometime late Feb, early :March 1950
The V8 is missing a number. Please take another look and post again. Likely a very late '50 if 41172?. If it had only the numbers you posted it would be a 48 and begin with 88 RC.
The firewall stamping we're talking about is NOT found on the data plate, but actually stamped into the cowl metal. Usually located center of the firewall, either above or below the seam. It will look something like this: 7 RH 12L 6025 (my 48 F1) It indicates color, plant, date and vehicle down the line. Letters/numbers are twice as high as those on the data plate or rating plate on the glovebox door.
There is some speculation on the basis of production numbers that early '51 DID continue the 49/50 serial number until 9/15/51. I have never seen proof that was the case however....
98RC41172. V8 truck
The six cylinder is probably an early 50, produced sometime late Feb, early :March 1950
The V8 is missing a number. Please take another look and post again. Likely a very late '50 if 41172?. If it had only the numbers you posted it would be a 48 and begin with 88 RC.
The firewall stamping we're talking about is NOT found on the data plate, but actually stamped into the cowl metal. Usually located center of the firewall, either above or below the seam. It will look something like this: 7 RH 12L 6025 (my 48 F1) It indicates color, plant, date and vehicle down the line. Letters/numbers are twice as high as those on the data plate or rating plate on the glovebox door.
There is some speculation on the basis of production numbers that early '51 DID continue the 49/50 serial number until 9/15/51. I have never seen proof that was the case however....
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