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Jarlaxle, you might do better than you think, it is a whole different world than you imagine it to be before you actually are there.
I watched my daughter being born and was the first one to hold her. That was the greatest day of my life. I was 42 and it was my first and only child of my own. She is seven now and I still cherish every minute I spend with her. I consider loving this child unconditionally to be the greatesr privilage of my life. Do I spank her? A couple of little faux spankings earlier on followed by a lot of love, but it is just not neccessary with this child.
I watched my daughter being born and was the first one to hold her. That was the greatest day of my life. I was 42 and it was my first and only child of my own. She is seven now and I still cherish every minute I spend with her. I consider loving this child unconditionally to be the greatesr privilage of my life. Do I spank her? A couple of little faux spankings earlier on followed by a lot of love, but it is just not neccessary with this child.
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Jar, it is the people who think they know how to raise a kid that are the ones that truelly do not. If you do not believe you can but try your hardest...then in 40 years someone else will be payin for your vacation to Europe (by then the 51st state) or cruise through the carribean
And Whistler...I cannot say as I see your point...;you should no that I do not believe in rehablitation for any real crimes....therefore..weather the hard conditions or not affect them..so what? They should be gettin hanged anyways IMHO.
And Whistler...I cannot say as I see your point...;you should no that I do not believe in rehablitation for any real crimes....therefore..weather the hard conditions or not affect them..so what? They should be gettin hanged anyways IMHO.
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Originally posted by Jimmy Dean
And Waxy...I cannot say as I see your point...;you should no that I do not believe in rehablitation for any real crimes....therefore..weather the hard conditions or not affect them..so what? They should be gettin hanged anyways IMHO.
And Waxy...I cannot say as I see your point...;you should no that I do not believe in rehablitation for any real crimes....therefore..weather the hard conditions or not affect them..so what? They should be gettin hanged anyways IMHO.
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Originally posted by Jimmy Dean
And Whistler...I cannot say as I see your point...;you should no that I do not believe in rehablitation for any real crimes....therefore..weather the hard conditions or not affect them..so what? They should be gettin hanged anyways IMHO.
And Whistler...I cannot say as I see your point...;you should no that I do not believe in rehablitation for any real crimes....therefore..weather the hard conditions or not affect them..so what? They should be gettin hanged anyways IMHO.
What about the people who do not commit 'real' crimes?
Embezzlers, thieves, hookers, shoplifters, burglary? Should they be hung as well? You are saying they are unrehabilitable?
My whole point in posting to this thread is to stir up thought. Crime is a complex problem that faces society. There are many reasons criminals exist and there are many ways one becomes a criminal. Way too often, in my opinion, people clamor for a solution of harsh punishment (beheading, chopping off hands, neglect and abuse that would be criminal outside of prisons, etc.)that would 'certainly' lead to the eradication of crime. I think it has been shown that the harshest punishments possible have not stopped crime. EVER. It still goes on, and will continue to do so.
While I don't claim to have the answer, I do know there is more to this problem than simple one-size-fits-all answers. And so I am interesting in hearing well thought out and realistic solutions to the problem of crime in America and Canada.
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Any parent that hits a child, even once, for any reason, should be publicly tortured to death.
A.) A parent beats their child, hits them in the face, insults them, and scars them for life. I believe these parents should be dealt with to an extent. There is absolutely no point in beating a child.
B.) A parent spanks the child for disobeying. This, I definately agree with. Now of course, you shouldn't spank a 1 or 2 year old for coloring on the walls because they haven't learned right from wrong yet, but when they reach that certain age, it's time to whip out the belt. I was spanked many, many, many times with a belt for being a bad kid. I deserved every bit of it.
Jarl, with that said, do you think that either way they should be tortured to death? Sorry, I'm just a little confused on your reply.
Will never happen. Some people should not raise children...I freely admit I fall into that category. A child would be better off born dead, or raised by Charles Manson, than to have me for a father.
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jaraxle,
I second what willowbilly said. I'm 43 and have a five month old son, my first child. Don't sell yourself short, just take your time.
I do not know your age but I'm sure many of us are living roles we never thought we'd play.
And if you really don't think you have anything to offer a child,
you might consider that you may not have much to offer anyone period. Pretend that you're something that you're not long enough and you become it in fact. That goes for both the positive and the negative. We reinvent ourselves every day it's just most days we're in the mood for reruns..
I second what willowbilly said. I'm 43 and have a five month old son, my first child. Don't sell yourself short, just take your time.
I do not know your age but I'm sure many of us are living roles we never thought we'd play.
And if you really don't think you have anything to offer a child,
you might consider that you may not have much to offer anyone period. Pretend that you're something that you're not long enough and you become it in fact. That goes for both the positive and the negative. We reinvent ourselves every day it's just most days we're in the mood for reruns..
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Originally posted by sinjin
jaraxle,
I second what willowbilly said. I'm 43 and have a five month old son, my first child. Don't sell yourself short, just take your time.
I do not know your age but I'm sure many of us are living roles we never thought we'd play.
And if you really don't think you have anything to offer a child,
you might consider that you may not have much to offer anyone period. Pretend that you're something that you're not long enough and you become it in fact. That goes for both the positive and the negative. We reinvent ourselves every day it's just most days we're in the mood for reruns..
jaraxle,
I second what willowbilly said. I'm 43 and have a five month old son, my first child. Don't sell yourself short, just take your time.
I do not know your age but I'm sure many of us are living roles we never thought we'd play.
And if you really don't think you have anything to offer a child,
you might consider that you may not have much to offer anyone period. Pretend that you're something that you're not long enough and you become it in fact. That goes for both the positive and the negative. We reinvent ourselves every day it's just most days we're in the mood for reruns..
Well said
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I do not have the patience for children, period. I would either throw it out a window or jump out a window myself within an hour. The only reason I haven't had a vasectomy is that I don't need to, since my wife cannot have children (and, if anything, has less patience than I do).
In 40 years I'll probably be dead, but I'll be able to afford a vacation to Europe (though I admit to absolutely zero desire to go there) long before that, since I don't have to pay to raise children. I plan to spend my 25th anniversary (March 20, 2021) in Havana.
I'll regret for the rest of my life that I didn't disembowel my violent, sadistic father when I had the chance.
(Edited for typos causing the second paragraph to make absolutely no sense.)
In 40 years I'll probably be dead, but I'll be able to afford a vacation to Europe (though I admit to absolutely zero desire to go there) long before that, since I don't have to pay to raise children. I plan to spend my 25th anniversary (March 20, 2021) in Havana.
I'll regret for the rest of my life that I didn't disembowel my violent, sadistic father when I had the chance.
(Edited for typos causing the second paragraph to make absolutely no sense.)
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Jaraxle, every child deserves to have a secure home and a happy well balanced childhood, ideally. But most of us go into life with some kind of baggage or another. Even at that it truly is grievious when a child is robbed of his security and joy, and I sincerely feel for you on that point.
I am hesitant to offer this but feel that I must as a compassionate human being. Bitterness is poison to your soul and in forgiveness you will find relief and release from the pain. Way easier said than done but none the less true. It is a process that can take years. The worst scars from physical abuse are almost always to the inside. And even though we grow up and grow old there is sometimes still a hurting little abandoned boy in there. Well I could go on but I will cut it short here, because I think you know the source of my healing, ( still in progress)
I am hesitant to offer this but feel that I must as a compassionate human being. Bitterness is poison to your soul and in forgiveness you will find relief and release from the pain. Way easier said than done but none the less true. It is a process that can take years. The worst scars from physical abuse are almost always to the inside. And even though we grow up and grow old there is sometimes still a hurting little abandoned boy in there. Well I could go on but I will cut it short here, because I think you know the source of my healing, ( still in progress)
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You volunteered
"BTW I am in the military, I understand that my life is worth losing if it is to save another or ten or twenty. By getting rid of cap pun, you are letting more offenders loose..cause we cannot hold them all for 80 years. and thus causing people to lose their lives when these people commit their crimes again." [/B][/QUOTE]
You volunteered. It's your job. No one volunteers to be an innocent man sent to death row. I was in the military also. I was drafted in 67'. There was no parade for me. What exactly is an exceptable number of innocent men lost to executions. I ask because in you argument for the death penalty you state that the number is minimal and not a real issue.
You volunteered. It's your job. No one volunteers to be an innocent man sent to death row. I was in the military also. I was drafted in 67'. There was no parade for me. What exactly is an exceptable number of innocent men lost to executions. I ask because in you argument for the death penalty you state that the number is minimal and not a real issue.
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Ok, if out of 100 people are sent to death row, 5 are innocent....we lose 5 non guilty peeps..whereas if we set all 100 free, well 6 of those murderes kill again....so now we lose 6 innocent people....honestly....hmm....6 to 5...this is just hypothetical, it would be more in favor of having capt punishment in real life.
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"It's your job. No one volunteers to be an innocent man sent to death row"
Nobody volunteers to be a victim of a rapist or murderer either.
Think about it, usually by the time a person is caught they have already commited the crime hundreds of times and where not caught. Like speeding, if I received a ticket everytime I sped, I would literally have thousands by now, instead I only have 7 in over 20 years of driving. Apply the same stats to a killer, rapist or a burgler and you suddenly run out of "innocent" convicts.
Nobody volunteers to be a victim of a rapist or murderer either.
Think about it, usually by the time a person is caught they have already commited the crime hundreds of times and where not caught. Like speeding, if I received a ticket everytime I sped, I would literally have thousands by now, instead I only have 7 in over 20 years of driving. Apply the same stats to a killer, rapist or a burgler and you suddenly run out of "innocent" convicts.
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Originally posted by Jimmy Dean
Ok, if out of 100 people are sent to death row, 5 are innocent....we lose 5 non guilty peeps..whereas if we set all 100 free, well 6 of those murderes kill again....so now we lose 6 innocent people....honestly....hmm....6 to 5...this is just hypothetical, it would be more in favor of having capt punishment in real life.
Ok, if out of 100 people are sent to death row, 5 are innocent....we lose 5 non guilty peeps..whereas if we set all 100 free, well 6 of those murderes kill again....so now we lose 6 innocent people....honestly....hmm....6 to 5...this is just hypothetical, it would be more in favor of having capt punishment in real life.