I had two different dealers tell me they do not and will not take any diesel truck in trade that has been deleted period. The second one told me the dealership took in a nearly brand new ford f350 that was totally deleted and had a tuner and they could only give him $9k on a less than year old $72k truck. And that the confrontation was so bad they had to call the sheriff to stop it. The truck owner was so pissed they thought he was going postal. Now I hear the EPA is really cracking down on the firms that make and sell tuners that facilitate doing the deletes. SO if yall are thinking about buying a diesel and deleting it, better think twice about that. Just sayin'...

PS: Thankfully my old 5.9 CUMMINS has no emissions to delete! Any trucks bought new from here on will be gassers...

 

 

Heh... From Corpus Christi south to Mexico, diesel may well be (at times) a full $1 per gallon more than gas. Farther north in San Antonio to New Braunfels and Austin, over towards Houston, typically 40 cents higher to near a dollar higher dependent on time of year of course. But since the advent of ULSD, never has diesel been cheaper than gasoline. Such a boon-doggle for the refiners, as the ULSD units and feed pre-treaters have been built and paid for many times over by now. Of course the gov-mandated methyl-tertiary-butyl-ether (MTBE) thing raped the refiners pretty bad. Anyway diesel is (from now on most likely) going to be higher than gas and just the way it is.

 

 

 

 

Truck in the signature has averaged 17.2, for the last 5300+ miles. That's calculated with a fuel app, tracking mileage and gallons used, but also lines up with the on board calculations. I don't know where the gas trucks come in on real world mileage, but the best I have seen mentioned is around 13 combined.

 

 

I don't think anyone is arguing that the 6.7 doesn't produce more torque. Of course it does. What many of us are saying is that for our applications, it's way more than we need and the 6.2 is more than capable. In our cases the 6.2 does what we need it to do and are able to save $9,000.00, plus the additional maintenance related costs because we don't need the diesel. Now I keep hearing how the diesels are worth more at trade in than the gas. Of course it's relative considering you paid more but according to Kelly Blue Book when comparing equally equipped 2016 Ford F350's with the same options and mileage after two years the diesel is worth $5-6,000.00 more than the gas. But considering you paid an extra $9,000.00 for it the argument could be made that you lost another $3-4,000.00 dollars at trade in buying a diesel. Looking at only getting back $5,000.00 of a $9,000.00 dollar investment doesn't go into the win column for me. If your towing weight requires a diesel, or you just want one, you are going to pay extra for that. If you don't tow heavy enough to require one then why take a double hit for something you don't need. That's all any of us have been saying.

 

A few things, I don't know what the up charge for 2016 was to get the Diesel, but in 2017, it was only 8000, it went to 9000 for 2018. I would suspect for 2016 it was 8000 or less, which lowers that 'extra' depreciation a bit. Also if you got bay to yet older trucks, that just 3 years old, I had done a similar comparison, with 6 year old trucks, and mileage around 100K, and the difference really starts to swing toward the diesel.

 

 

The last two vehicles I traded in both dealers made me sign a statement saying the exhaust and emission system was never tampered with.

 

2019/2018 $9120 (+325)
2017 $8795 (+315)
2016 $8480

 

Why buy a Ferrari if a Camry will get you there. I don't think there's anyone that doesn't understand that argument.

We've gone over this numerous times here on the board. First off, if you consider a vehicle purchase an "investment" then you're doing it wrong. Its an expense and a depreciating asset. On average you get about $6k back from the $8-9K you spend. So it costs you $2-3k plus whatever maintenance you spend, which for me has only been a couple hundred a year more than a similar gasser. So let's say its $4k. So in all those years you are driving the truck you get 500 more lbs of torque, longer distances between fill ups, integrated exhaust braking (both huge pluses for towing), lower RPMs, blah blah blah. You pay for that, $4-5k. That's a steal to me, I'd happily pay twice that. To others, its a waste of money. You pick whether or not that's worth it to you and you go with it. There's no real debate here. How do you debate what's worth it to someone else?

Its not really an argument. I think people just tend to defend what they spent their money on and want to prove to others that they made the "right" choice. It really doesn't matter to any of us what you drive. Just buy it, drive it and be happy. Too many people self identify with their motor choice, its a really weird human condition. Its like Ford guys fighting with RAM or Chevy guys. Its just a company selling you ****, how you somehow amalgamate that brand with your self identity is such a weird concept. These companies don't give two ****s about you, they just want your money. Its the same thing with the 6.2L and 6.7L.....in the end we all have some amazing trucks. Dont worry about the jackass on FB telling you that you should've bought a diesel, or that a diesel is a waste of money. You bought the truck you wanted, that does what you needed it to do, at a price that makes sense to you. Screw anyone else.

 

I think you finally made your point, twice.