Hello Gents! I have been a long time lurker and finally decided to hop on board and get my feet wet with a few of my own questions. I have been a fan of the super duty since 99' but just haven't been in a position to buy one until now. I am currently driving a 07 Duramax and no longer frequently tow heavy loads and am looking to purchase a gas powered 250. I have a 3k PCO and was about to place an order for a 19 KR until I read about the possible upcoming changes to the 2020. I am not one to keep up with year to year changes, but it seems that once the 2020 changes are made they will stick around for the next few years with only minor new tweaks. So, the question is will Ford release the 2020 info/specs before the 2019 order bank is closed? Will we have the benefit to see the new changes and still have the option to order a 19' if we choose that route? I hate to see a 3k discount fly out the window, but with such a hefty investment, the new changes may be worth the gamble.

Thanks for your help/replies!

 

 

When does your 3000 PCO expire? It most likely would expire before the 2020 ordering even starts.

 

Anyone heard anything on if Ford will introduce the 2020 SD at the Texas Fair this year?

 

Mostly if Ford believes they'll beat Ram's new powertrain offerings. What's reasonably speculated about Ram's new HD right now is, a new Cummins made from a CGI block and 980-1000 lb-ft, the ZF PowerLine 8-speed medium-duty automatic transmission, and the interior of the new 1500... although the body is now expected to be the same as the current with a new front clip and some revised sheetmetal. If Ford does show the 2020 SD at Texas, I wouldn't expect any powertrain info as far as horsepower/torque specs so they'll have time to "tweak" and make their numbers better than whatever Ram announces in January. We also don't know when GM will preview the redesigned 2020 Silverado/Sierra HD trucks. With Ford going to the 10-speed and Ram offering the 8-speed ZF, GM can't remain with the current 6-speed Allison.

The 2020 model year for HD trucks will definitely be interesting - and for those shoppers without brand loyalty, they'll have a lot of "new" to choose from.

 

How could it possibly be cost effective to manufacture your old body style when you are already manufacturing a new body style? And you can't just put a "new" interior in the old truck...dimensionally the new body style has a longer cab. Maybe you could utilize some of the dashboard.

That said, to the OP - Ford is not going to do anything to jeopardize 2019 truck sales by releasing 2020 specs early on. If you want to use the 3k PCO, you'll need to do it long before the 2020 models can be ordered.

We've seen a fair amount of reports and rumors on the 2020 Super Duty. Realistically, we should expect a new gas engine (7.3L V8) and a new transmission (10-speed) on at least gas models but probably diesel too. I'd expect a power bump to the diesel truck, but at this point it probably won't be monumental. 1000lb-ft? Maybe. But the new transmission is rated for no additional torque load than the current 6R140 transmission, which means any additional torque will be completely neutered in low gears. I'd also expect a mild freshening of the grille and headlights, along with a new tailgate design. If you look at the F-150...new for 2015, updated for 2018...that vehicle (upon which the entire Super Duty cab is shared) saw engine power bumps, a new transmission, and grille / light changes. That was it; no interior changes. I'd expect the same for the Super Duty. The next complete redesign won't be probably until 2022 or 2023 and then you will see a much nicer interior along with a new platform.

 

They can use almost everything except what's related to length. A new floor pan could certainly be added to use the same rear flat floor, it would just have 4 fewer inches of rear legroom. The new Ram 1500 is also in a new plant. The HDs will still be built in the Saltillo MX plant until Warren has been retooled. Saltillo was closed for several months this spring for tooling changes, similar to how Ford handled KTP since they couldn't close it fully as they did with Kansas City and Dearborn for the F-150.

My next truck will come from this "2020 generation", so I've been doing as much research as I can prior to the unveilings. I'd love to get another Cummins, as I've never had an engine-related issue in 22 years. But I acknowledge Ford has made a better truck around the engine for day-to-day reliability... particularly the HVAC (something Chrysler hasn't been good at in a long time). I thought the 1988-1998 GM trucks were pretty good, but the 6.5L diesel kept me away. So I have a lot of info to absorb before I move on from the 05 Ram.

 

Been brand loyal to Ford for years but it's wearing thin seeing what Ram is doing with the cabin an the quality of leather being used on the trucks etc.
My father just recently went with a 19' Longhorn Ram over a 19' King Ranch as hehas bought Ford for years an has been Ford loyal because of the quality of the trucks etc,
Just go an take a look at a 19'Longhorn/Limited for yourself feel quality difference in the materials etc..

Not to mention that 12" screen that's a game changer.

Hopefully the Ram will be trouble free like his F150 was..

 

I agree that Ford needs to step up the interior game. My only concern is this: that interior is expensive to make, yet the RAM trucks are competitively priced. It makes me wonder...is FCA willing to take less profit per unit to try to gain market share...or is FCA cutting corners in areas that cannot be easily seen?

I think you'll find the next-gen Fords have a very nice interior. Ford spent so much on aluminum, and engines, that there wasn't much left for interior.

 

 

Decided not to wait for a 2020 with the possibility of a 10sp tranny and or a 7.3l gas engine. Not willing to be a guinea pig for the new power train and didn't want to wait. Went with the 6.2 / 6spd that is proven and pretty darn close to bullet proof......you check out the 6.2 forum yet? Pretty quiet and sleepy over there. FCA dressing up their trucks with all the fancy stuff is the equivalent of putting lipstick on a pig. They are just covering for the fact that the rest of the truck (exception being the Cummins engine) is going to be less reliable than the comparable Ford product. Our company runs a fleet of gas trucks. The FCA trucks were in the shop regularly...mainly due to transmission issues. They are running Chevy's now with the 6.0 and it has actually been pretty reliable. Only complaint is the 6.0 is rather gutless. They have not gone to Ford yet due to cost.....GM gives them a better deal. At the end of the day, buy what suites your needs best.....everyone here has an opinion including me.

 

Nice looking truck, NWnative. I would note that the gas F-250 uses a "new" transmission for the 2017 model year that is different than what is in the gas F-350 or diesel trucks. However, I don't think there have been any issues reported with it. Congrats on the new truck!

 

 

I think that's why FCA is likely going with ZF. Let a transmission specialist build them, and they can spread the R&D costs over all their manufacturing customers. When I first heard about the ZF PowerLine a few years ago, I thought it would be the perfect trans for one of these HD diesel pickups. Now all the signs are pointing to Ram using it across the board in the new HD pickups, including with the gassers. A medium-duty 8-speed transmission, rated at 1400 Nm/1033 lb-ft, already sold around the world eliminates the guesswork. Not saying Ford can't build a transmission... the C6 was as bulletproof as you could get and the E4OD and 6R140 aren't far behind... but this is new ground for Ford & GM, yet old hat for ZF, Allison, Voith, and Eaton/Fuller.

 

Any news about the 2020 F-650 and 750?