1986 F250 2wd 3 speed Auto to ZF5 swap
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1986 F250 2wd 3 speed Auto to ZF5 swap
I bought a 2wd ZF5 out of a 1992 F250 extended cab with a 7.3. I got the transmission and the cross member out of the 1992. I took it apart put a speedometer drive gear in it and bored out the hole in the back of the case for the speedometer cable. I got a drive shaft out of a 1990 regular cab 2wd with a 7.3. I bought a complete clutch kit, flywheel and everything for a 1990 F250 7.3. I have a 1985 F150 parts truck that I took the pedal assembly from bolted those in, no problem. I made a template for the clutch master cylinder from the 1985, haven’t put that all together yet, but it seems like it will go no problem. The clutch and transmission are bolted up and then I put the cross member in, that’s when the first problem comes up. My question is what cross member do I need to use? The one from the 1992 doesn’t line up with the pre-existing holes in the frame. The one for the auto trans won’t line up either or the one from the 1985 parts truck(it was a 302 with a 4 speed. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I’m doing all this to a 1986 F250 with a 6.9 diesel.
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My question is what cross member do I need to use? The one from the 1992 doesn’t line up with the pre-existing holes in the frame. The one for the auto trans won’t line up either or the one from the 1985 parts truck(it was a 302 with a 4 speed. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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I did the exact same swap on my 89 diesel, except I had a donor 89 zf truck, so I had it a little easier. Did all the swapping you did. The lower crossmember for the c6 and the zf were exactly the same on my truck. But my truck already had a set of holes rearward drilled in the lower part of the frame c-channel, and when I used those holes, the lower crossmember for the c6 bolted right up.
The short upper crossmembers for the c6 would not bolt up. The short upper zf crossmembers from the other truck did bolt right in. The zf short crossmembers had more of a offset to them, since the lower crossmember had moved back about a 1 inch.
I had a plan, if I had to use the short upper c6 crossmembers, I was going to bolt them on the lower crossmember in it's new location, and then see which one of the two upper frame holes could be used, and mark the c6 upper crossmembers through the existing upper frame hole. Then drill a custom hole in the c6 crossmember and at least use one bolt to bolt them in at the top. Looking at it, I figure it would have been almost impossible to drill two new holes in the upper part of the frame with the cab in place.
Since I had a 89 donor, I found there is a plug under the brake booster where the transmission/transfer case harness plugged in. I unplugged my c6 harness, and plugged in the zf harness, and it all worked, no wiring to do at all. Not sure if you can get away with that on your truck, but I will warn you the manual trans harness has a jumper made in it right at the plug, to jump the two red/blue wires. These are the wires that go to the neutral safety on your c6. If you do not jump these wires after taking the c6 out, it will not crank over.
The short upper crossmembers for the c6 would not bolt up. The short upper zf crossmembers from the other truck did bolt right in. The zf short crossmembers had more of a offset to them, since the lower crossmember had moved back about a 1 inch.
I had a plan, if I had to use the short upper c6 crossmembers, I was going to bolt them on the lower crossmember in it's new location, and then see which one of the two upper frame holes could be used, and mark the c6 upper crossmembers through the existing upper frame hole. Then drill a custom hole in the c6 crossmember and at least use one bolt to bolt them in at the top. Looking at it, I figure it would have been almost impossible to drill two new holes in the upper part of the frame with the cab in place.
Since I had a 89 donor, I found there is a plug under the brake booster where the transmission/transfer case harness plugged in. I unplugged my c6 harness, and plugged in the zf harness, and it all worked, no wiring to do at all. Not sure if you can get away with that on your truck, but I will warn you the manual trans harness has a jumper made in it right at the plug, to jump the two red/blue wires. These are the wires that go to the neutral safety on your c6. If you do not jump these wires after taking the c6 out, it will not crank over.
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Thanks for yalls assistance. I figured out what I need I just have to find a truck to get one from. What I have found is a cross member from a ZF truck regular cab 2wd, I’m 99%sure will bolt right up to what I have. I found one in a salvage yard truck in a 1989 but the guy is keeping the truck together and won’t come off of the parts. It has a very much more pronounced “bend” in it where the transmission mounts goes. It looks (I took some measurements as well) like it will keep the holes on the bottom of the frame lined up in the original location. I’ll update as soon as I find one. I have a Banks turbo kit I picked up from a junkyard for $200, hopefully that all goes in decently well after I get all this buttoned up.
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I found a cross member out of a 1989 F250 5 speed regular cab. I had to elongate the slotted hole on the cross member where the lower part of the upper brackets go on the crossmember. I had already “wollered” out the hole in the frame where crossmember bolts in with the single bolt, trying to get the crossmember from the extended cab truck to fit, so I’m not sure if it would have been correct but it looks like it would have been. I painted it yesterday after I did my modifications, so this evening I’ll bolt it all up and be done with that part.
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So it all bolted in no problem. Getting the correct U joint figured out for the rear end to drive shaft. Tied the two red/blue wires together and shared the ground with the ground for the reverse light switch, hadn’t check if reverse lights work yet. Then just have to put some fluid in it and go try it out. Then get a high hump floor mat and it’ll be done.
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So long as you use some sort of upper gusset in some form or fashion. I think some people just use the lower crossmember and forget about the upper ones, that is a bad idea in my opinion. Together the upper and lower crossmembers hold the frame in a vertical position, which is it's strongest position when downward pressure is applied.
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@Franklin2... that’s pretty much what I was thinking. I have now figured out that my rearend yoke, moves a little bit after getting the driveshaft bolted up, about an 1/8” up and down and left and right. I’m assuming the pinion bearing is bad, it has to have been like that for a while, I’m just going to run it and see what happens. I’m sure it’ll fail before long, in the meantime I’ll find another rearend to have on ready when it finally goes out. My wife is getting a litttle upset at me spending money right now, so to keep the peace I’ll just have to wait.
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@Franklin2... that’s pretty much what I was thinking. I have now figured out that my rearend yoke, moves a little bit after getting the driveshaft bolted up, about an 1/8” up and down and left and right. I’m assuming the pinion bearing is bad, it has to have been like that for a while, I’m just going to run it and see what happens. I’m sure it’ll fail before long, in the meantime I’ll find another rearend to have on ready when it finally goes out. My wife is getting a litttle upset at me spending money right now, so to keep the peace I’ll just have to wait.
All you have to do is take the rear of the driveshaft back out, take a impact gun and put it on high, and hit the nut a couple of times with the gun. You will be good to go for a year or two till it happens again. If you have a good parking brake or some way to hold the truck, you can also tighten it with a breaker bar with a long cheater pipe on the handle.
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@Franklin2, that’s awesome...I’ll do it tomorrow...I got everything done, put a little over a quart of extra fluid in the transmission, I kept reading about people doing that to reduce noise. Everything seems to be good to go. It is a much better drive now. Haven’t checked to see if my speedometer is close or not yet. I still need to change out the steering column, but it isn’t hurting anything, just looks a bit weird.
#13
When I did my zf swap, I did what they call the "Lucky Mod". There was a guy on another board who went by the name Lucky, and what he did was take the dual mass flywheel apart, take the guts out, and then drill all those holes in the center through and bolt it together solid. And then go buy a clutch disc with springs in it.
That's what I did, been in there for years now, but it was very noisy, more noisy than the conversion kits from what I gather. I tried the straight 30w motor oil, don't do it, you can't shift the trans in the winter. I then tried 10w-30, better but still a little stiff in the winter. What I did notice was if I lightly pushed on the throttle at idle to raise the rpms, the noise would pretty much go away. So I went out and raised my idle speed and it helped tremendously with the noise.
After that I noticed when the engine and trans were cold, it was more noisy, and after it warmed up, the idle would be a little higher and the noise would go away. I had a theory, so I went and put the original auto trans fluid back into the trans. That helped get my shifting completely back to stock and sure enough, the thinner oil warmed up quicker and the noise went away quicker.
Each truck is different, how noisy the trans is depends on how smoothly your engine idles. If you want to experiment, lightly put your foot on the pedal after it's fully warmed up and see if that helps get rid of any more of the noise.
That's what I did, been in there for years now, but it was very noisy, more noisy than the conversion kits from what I gather. I tried the straight 30w motor oil, don't do it, you can't shift the trans in the winter. I then tried 10w-30, better but still a little stiff in the winter. What I did notice was if I lightly pushed on the throttle at idle to raise the rpms, the noise would pretty much go away. So I went out and raised my idle speed and it helped tremendously with the noise.
After that I noticed when the engine and trans were cold, it was more noisy, and after it warmed up, the idle would be a little higher and the noise would go away. I had a theory, so I went and put the original auto trans fluid back into the trans. That helped get my shifting completely back to stock and sure enough, the thinner oil warmed up quicker and the noise went away quicker.
Each truck is different, how noisy the trans is depends on how smoothly your engine idles. If you want to experiment, lightly put your foot on the pedal after it's fully warmed up and see if that helps get rid of any more of the noise.
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It's whatever you prefer, I used my old auto column. I took the cluster out, took a black piece of tape and went over the PRND321 in the dash to cover it up. I then went out under the hood and took a piece of wire and tied the shifter lever up. That keeps it in park so you can turn the key to start it. I then went in and drove that pin out and took the shifter lever off.