Long term towing report for my ecoboost
#1
Long term towing report for my ecoboost
My '17 F150 now has 22k miles on it and way over half of that is towing. Mainly a Polaris SxS on a 12' trailer back and forth to Colorado as well as on short day trips around here. Also 600 miles towing a 16' bumper pull cattle trailer, 300 miles pulling a 21' gooseneck, and another 1500 miles towing two fivers. One a 32' and the other a 26'.
The truck is tuned by 5star and has a Wagner CAC. I have not had any overheating issues. The truck runs and pulls good. It has plenty of power. What it does not have it stability. This truck is 700 lbs lighter than my '13 King F150 KR. When the cattle move around in the trailer the truck and trailer move big time. When towing the RZR to Colorado the winds will blow me all over the road. I will not tow either fiver if the wind is over 10 mph, which around here is most of the time.
I originally thought that the issue with the truck was the lighter weight. I now also think that it is the suspension. I believe that when Ford reworked the truck they also used lighter suspension components to make it have the "cadillac" ride that most want. Even though I put on Super Springs and Bilsteins, as well as a Ranchhand for added weight it still doesn't tow like my '13 did.
I need to tow my 32' fiver to Colorado and I would not take the chance in the high winds in west TX, NM and CO or Raton Pass with this truck. My new heavy towing truck is a 2016 Platinum 6.7 PSD. I will keep the 17 F150 for light towing and commuting. I would have bought a new SD but can't drive them because of the effort required to turn the steering wheel ( I had a 17 SD but sold it after three months because of the steering). I also test drove a new Chevy 2500 as I thought the IFS would be nice. Not so great! It rode as rough as the SFA on my F250 and the steering wandered, kind of like the Ford Twin I beam does. I plan on keeping this one awhile unless Ford puts more "assist" in their power steering
The truck is tuned by 5star and has a Wagner CAC. I have not had any overheating issues. The truck runs and pulls good. It has plenty of power. What it does not have it stability. This truck is 700 lbs lighter than my '13 King F150 KR. When the cattle move around in the trailer the truck and trailer move big time. When towing the RZR to Colorado the winds will blow me all over the road. I will not tow either fiver if the wind is over 10 mph, which around here is most of the time.
I originally thought that the issue with the truck was the lighter weight. I now also think that it is the suspension. I believe that when Ford reworked the truck they also used lighter suspension components to make it have the "cadillac" ride that most want. Even though I put on Super Springs and Bilsteins, as well as a Ranchhand for added weight it still doesn't tow like my '13 did.
I need to tow my 32' fiver to Colorado and I would not take the chance in the high winds in west TX, NM and CO or Raton Pass with this truck. My new heavy towing truck is a 2016 Platinum 6.7 PSD. I will keep the 17 F150 for light towing and commuting. I would have bought a new SD but can't drive them because of the effort required to turn the steering wheel ( I had a 17 SD but sold it after three months because of the steering). I also test drove a new Chevy 2500 as I thought the IFS would be nice. Not so great! It rode as rough as the SFA on my F250 and the steering wandered, kind of like the Ford Twin I beam does. I plan on keeping this one awhile unless Ford puts more "assist" in their power steering
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The Fast Lane Truck just ran a comparison test of the F150 EB and the Nissan Titan XD diesel up the Ike Gauntlet pulling 11k lbs. (I think).
The F150 scooted up the hill a lot faster than the Titan, but the drivers liked the stability of the Titan much better. They felt the F150 a little unstable.
The Titan is also very porky. Most weigh in around 7500 lbs. empty.
In this case, heavier is better.
The F150 scooted up the hill a lot faster than the Titan, but the drivers liked the stability of the Titan much better. They felt the F150 a little unstable.
The Titan is also very porky. Most weigh in around 7500 lbs. empty.
In this case, heavier is better.
#4
The Fast Lane Truck just ran a comparison test of the F150 EB and the Nissan Titan XD diesel up the Ike Gauntlet pulling 11k lbs. (I think).
The F150 scooted up the hill a lot faster than the Titan, but the drivers liked the stability of the Titan much better. They felt the F150 a little unstable.
The Titan is also very porky. Most weigh in around 7500 lbs. empty.
In this case, heavier is better.
The F150 scooted up the hill a lot faster than the Titan, but the drivers liked the stability of the Titan much better. They felt the F150 a little unstable.
The Titan is also very porky. Most weigh in around 7500 lbs. empty.
In this case, heavier is better.
If you take the time to move around your load, adjust your WDH system, and you happen to have the unicorn Max Tow HDPP F150 with E rated tires, you can be in great shape towing quite heavy. However, a heavier duty truck will be easier to set up, and simpler to get to that "feels right" situation.
#5
I have towed with both gas and diesels. My last two tow vehicles were; an '01 7.3 PSD E350 Clubwagon, an '07 F350 CCLB 6.0 PSD and now a '17 F250 CCSB. From 2013 to 2017 I daily drove an F150. The '13 was a 6.2 and the '15 was a 3.5EB. While the 6.2 was very torquey, I loved the smooth torque of the 3.5 EB. And when it came time to replace the '97 E350 I considered an F150 CCLB Max Tow. I liked the truck and assumed I would probably daily it about half the time (I also have a car that is my primary daily).
I towed my trailer, a 24' car hauler weighing under 9K lbs, with the EB F150 and it did the job reasonably well. I would have probably been happy with it. The motor did OK as did the chassis. It wasn't as stable as my F350 by any means but it was adequate. Then I tried towing with the '17 F250 6.7. That's a whole new ballgame. I loved the truck. Its nearly as nice to daily as the F150 and tows like nothing I have ever used before.
Not sure why steering effort would be a problem in the SD. I assume you must have some condition that makes that an issue.
A friend recently traded his RAM EcoDiesel on a new Nissan XD. He loves the truck. I drove it towing his trailer a 20' enclosed that only weights about 6K lbs and it seems fine but I was not impressed with its ride, handling or power. Towing 3000 fewer lbs it was noticeably slower. I let him drive my Super Duty towing my trailer and to quote him: "damn... I wish I had tried one of these before I bought the XD".
I towed my trailer, a 24' car hauler weighing under 9K lbs, with the EB F150 and it did the job reasonably well. I would have probably been happy with it. The motor did OK as did the chassis. It wasn't as stable as my F350 by any means but it was adequate. Then I tried towing with the '17 F250 6.7. That's a whole new ballgame. I loved the truck. Its nearly as nice to daily as the F150 and tows like nothing I have ever used before.
Not sure why steering effort would be a problem in the SD. I assume you must have some condition that makes that an issue.
A friend recently traded his RAM EcoDiesel on a new Nissan XD. He loves the truck. I drove it towing his trailer a 20' enclosed that only weights about 6K lbs and it seems fine but I was not impressed with its ride, handling or power. Towing 3000 fewer lbs it was noticeably slower. I let him drive my Super Duty towing my trailer and to quote him: "damn... I wish I had tried one of these before I bought the XD".
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A friend recently traded his RAM EcoDiesel on a new Nissan XD. He loves the truck. I drove it towing his trailer a 20' enclosed that only weights about 6K lbs and it seems fine but I was not impressed with its ride, handling or power. Towing 3000 fewer lbs it was noticeably slower. I let him drive my Super Duty towing my trailer and to quote him: "damn... I wish I had tried one of these before I bought the XD".
In 2001, the 7.3 was rated at 275 HP and 525 torque. The Cummins in the Titan XD is rated at 310 HP and 555 torque, so I expect that it would pull about the same as my 2001 7.3.
Now my '16 F250 6.7 would spank my 2001 and I have no doubt will spank the Titan XD too. But the Cummins in the Titan XD does not pretend to be anything other than the little brother to the Cummins in the Ram, so such a comparison is really not a fair fight.
I am also assuming that your 24' is an enclosed trailer. In my experience towing both 20' and 24' enclosed car haulers, weight is almost irrelevant. Those boxes push so much air, once up to speed, they pull just as hard empty or loaded with a 4000 lbs car. I would much rather pull my 11,000 lbs. open car trailer than my 8000 lbs. enclosed car trailer.
#7
Why won't Ford try an EcoBoost in a super duty???!!!
I happen to rarely tow but I haul pallets of tile and quartz, granite countertops. F-150 is too light duty, lightweight for what I do roughly 50% of the time.
Honestly, I do know I'm in the minority for what a typical Super Duty owner does but an option would be nice. For crying out loud I see many people owning f350 just because they like them
I happen to rarely tow but I haul pallets of tile and quartz, granite countertops. F-150 is too light duty, lightweight for what I do roughly 50% of the time.
Honestly, I do know I'm in the minority for what a typical Super Duty owner does but an option would be nice. For crying out loud I see many people owning f350 just because they like them
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My guess (and this is just a guess) is that the 3.5 EB sucks gas when pushed hard. When the engine works hard, the turbo get hot. When the turbo gets hot, the engine tends to pre-detonation. The solution is to squirt extra gas into the cylinders to cool them down. Car & Driver has an article a couple of months ago explaining all of this.
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I am also assuming that your 24' is an enclosed trailer. In my experience towing both 20' and 24' enclosed car haulers, weight is almost irrelevant. Those boxes push so much air, once up to speed, they pull just as hard empty or loaded with a 4000 lbs car. I would much rather pull my 11,000 lbs. open car trailer than my 8000 lbs. enclosed car trailer.
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My prior truck was an '07 Nissan Titan. It was a fantastic truck, best vehicle I had ever owned. I test drove the Titan XD (with the Cummins 5.0L) and it was definitely a heavier vehicle. In my opinion, Nissan really screwed up on the XD. The MPG isn't that great, it can't tow all that much more than some other half ton trucks and it was very expensive initially. Plus, it has a rather ugly front end. A lot was changed in this 2nd generation of the Titan. Hopefully the transmission holds up better for towing. For the first gen Titan's Jatco transmission, adding a second cooler and bypassing the radiator are helpful but the driver really has to keep on top of things and manage the gears. All that is why I bought a Superduty. I just want to drive it, not have a second job managing it.
Regarding the 3.5 EB or turbo 5.0L in the Superduty, I suspect they would put the EB in the Superduty. It's a proven motor. I doubt you would see it in the F-350 and higher. Just the F-250 and maybe with a lower trailer/cargo capacity.
Regarding the 3.5 EB or turbo 5.0L in the Superduty, I suspect they would put the EB in the Superduty. It's a proven motor. I doubt you would see it in the F-350 and higher. Just the F-250 and maybe with a lower trailer/cargo capacity.
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